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    Dyneema Pilot Improvement Suggestion

    I just got my Black Dyneema/Wasbi Pilot. If I put my 11 inch MacBook Air cache in using the rails, it pulls down the backside of the bag and dis-figures it. I noticed on the front of the bag there is black tubing that helps the bag hold its shape. I am wondering if the bag can be improved by using the same tubing on the back side so that is holds its shape better?
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    I think I would add a zipper or snap to the top of the outside back slip pocket of the Dyneema Pilot to hold it closed. I do not use a computer in the Pilot, so I cannot speak to that issue.

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    I just received a Black Dyneema/Wasabi Pilot, too.

    While I really like the versatility of the bag, I am still trying to adjust to the way the back crumples into itself (and the magazine pocket hangs open 6-7 inches) when carrying it by the handle.

    I know that Dyneema -- especially unlined, as the back wall of the Pilot is -- can't be expected to hold its shape the way Ballistic does, but I can't help feeling some reinforcement of the back panel would improve usability.

    Was hoping that adding a cache might help, so am sad to hear that in your experience the cache pulled down the backside of the bag even more.

    Perhaps adding that piping you describe (and/or lining the back wall of the bag) would help.

    The only other solution I can imagine would be a second handle, behind the main compartment zipper, to support the back wall... but what do I know? :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by luvdabags View Post
    I think I would add a zipper or snap to the top of the outside back slip pocket of the Dyneema Pilot to hold it closed. I do not use a computer in the Pilot, so I cannot speak to that issue.
    Agreed! A zipper on that pocket would be great...

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    Hmm: interesting feedback (thanks as always). We'll be looking into this further...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darcy View Post
    Hmm: interesting feedback (thanks as always). We'll be looking into this further...
    Thanks Darcy. I think the structure of the bag would be better if the same tubing was used on the back side of the bag. For a test, put a 11 MBA cache with rails in the bag with a 11 MBA inside. I think you will see the same results as I indicated in my original post.
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    I also have a Black Dyneema / Wasabi Pilot. I had failed to remember to order a horizontal cache for my 13" Macbook Pro Retina when I first got it, but luckily the forgotten accessory arrived today. The larger laptop seems to make the issue a little better by filling the space more, but it is still there, the back wall of the Pilot could definitely use a little more support. I must say the bag holds its shape much better when the bag has other items filling it out, seems to give the bag more structure. I think that the 13" laptop in a cache with the rails works perfectly, as long as you have enough other cargo to fill the bag out.

    Here is a picture of the back of the bag when it is empty, and then with just the laptop, so you can see how it sags:

    Dyneema Pilot Improvement Suggestion-bag0-jpg

    Dyneema Pilot Improvement Suggestion-bag1-jpg

    But like I said, the sagging is mostly taken care of by filling the bag.

    I love the bag by way, and the cache on rails is genius!

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    Thanks, dowlf. That's good to know.

    My Pilot (sans cache) hangs like this, but I generally don't carry bags more than 50-70% full.

    Maybe I just need to pack more in it...


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    I had a similar problem with the Co-Pilot. I may not have been packing the bag correctly or enough. Or maybe I packed too much in it. I wanted to love it but couldn't quite get there. I've delayed purchasing a Pilot for just this reason. I've decided on another Swift instead.
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    This seems to be less of a problem with the ballistic Pilot, which I have. However, I think a zipper on the top of that pocket would be ok to include, on both the dyneema and ballistic Pilots. Or maybe a snap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bb93fo57 View Post
    I know that Dyneema -- especially unlined, as the back wall of the Pilot is -- can't be expected to hold its shape
    The entire Pilot bag is unlined, not just the back, unfortunately.

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    Mine looks slightly more dis-figured probably due to the laptop size being smaller. I agree the ballistic might be more rigid. If the piping was used on the other side of the bag, I think that would help as well.
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    I ended up exchanging my Dyneema Pilot for a Black/Steel ballistic version and I am much happier. It holds its shape much better. Thanks TB! Happy camper.
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    For those of you hoping/wishing to add a zipper to the top of the back pocket, you'll have to find a good shoe-repair person or industrial seamstress. I contacted Tom Bihn's customer service and their response was "it is not cost effective" for them to do that, even after I offered to pay.

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    I am glad that I found this thread. Is the new pilot shipping now the same or have your suggestions been incorporated?

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