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rabergnc
12-26-2007, 08:55 PM
I've read the available reviews and have got a fair idea about what the bag is like. I'm interested in the opinion of folks who have used the bag for a while now. Specifically- I travel for business and play - sometimes the same trip. How does the Aeronaut do for the business side. I probably do not need to pack a sport coat or suit (most of the time), but I often need to bring long sleeve dress shirts, ties, and slacks. Can this be effectively done without massively wrinkling everything?

I appreciate any advice/suggestions. I'm also looking at a Redoxx skytrain and MEI Executive Traveler.

ellismc
12-27-2007, 07:01 AM
It sounds like we pack similarly for business travel. I usually pack khakis/slacks, a few long-sleeved shirts, and a sweater. I've found the Aeronaut to work perfectly for this travel, especially when paired with a nice variety of packing cubes (http://www.tombihn.com/page/001/PROD/ACC/TB091). The large cube fits the interior of the Aeronaut perfectly, and I usually use two there. The other advantage to the cubes is it allows you to pair up outfits, separate types of clothing, etc.

I've never had any real luck trying to avoid wrinkling no matter what I do, so I just don't worry about it anymore and iron my clothes when I arrive. I'd hardly say this is a problem with the Aeronaut, as it seems to be 'operator error'. I've just never been able to figure it out regardless of luggage type, so I quit trying.

The Aeronaut has a few nifty things that you only find after using the bag for a while. For instance, I find the handles sewn to the ends of the bag to be invaluable for pulling it out of overhead bins. The other thing I love about this bag is the obvious quality. It's just a joy to pack and carry, and I know I can pack everything I need for any length of time without having to check a bag. I haven't used the other two bags you mention.

rabergnc
12-27-2007, 09:02 AM
Thanks for the reply. Sounds good. I have always been impressed by the quality of the bags. Do you have any sense of whether an Eagle Creek packing folder (for shirts) would fit in the center section of the bag? The measurements of the large packing cube would say no but one of the reviews gave the impression it would fit. I have come to be highly dependent on the folder - I need all the help I can get!

GaryS
12-27-2007, 09:25 AM
Thanks for the reply. Sounds good. I have always been impressed by the quality of the bags. Do you have any sense of whether an Eagle Creek packing folder (for shirts) would fit in the center section of the bag? The measurements of the large packing cube would say no but one of the reviews gave the impression it would fit. I have come to be highly dependent on the folder - I need all the help I can get!

My 15" EC Packing folder fits fine. When I flew to Seattle in October it held three long sleeved shirts. Whether or not your clothes travel wrinkle free depends more on your method of packing than the type of bag.

I would however be reluctant to stuff a sport coat in my Aeronaut. If I had to travel with a sport coat (since I'm retired all my travel is for pleasure) I would wear it on the plane rather than pack it.

moriond
12-27-2007, 11:13 AM
Do you have any sense of whether an Eagle Creek packing folder (for shirts) would fit in the center section of the bag? The measurements of the large packing cube would say no but one of the reviews gave the impression it would fit. I have come to be highly dependent on the folder - I need all the help I can get!

One of the earliest reviews (http://www.imagometrics.com/GoBags/Aeronaut.htm) of the Aeronaut was posted some months before the packing cubes were offered and made use of a number of Eagle Creek packing products (shown in the pictures of the interior contents). Specifically, the Eagle Creek packing folder (for shirts) was used to pack a dress shirt for a wedding that the reviewer was attending (http://forums.tombihn.com/showthread.php?p=2532&highlight=#post2532).

For comparison, here's eristick's pictures of the small and large packing cubes (http://forums.tombihn.com/showthread.php?p=2887#post2887) for the Aeronaut. That's the small mesh packing cube that you see in her open Aeronaut, and the large packing cube is visible below it. Note that this bag was packed for casual travel using a modified bundle wrap method in the packing cubes.


I appreciate any advice/suggestions. I'm also looking at a Redoxx skytrain and MEI Executive Traveler.

The only extensive review I've seen so far of the MEI Executive Overniter is this one (http://onebagger.squarespace.com/blog/2007/12/1/mei-executive-overnighter-reader-review.html) at the One Bag, One World site. OBOW are supposed to review the Red Oxx Sky Train shortly (reader comments (http://onebagger.squarespace.com/blog/2007/10/15/something-new-in-the-air-sky-train-from-red-oxx.html) about the Sky Train design have already appeared on their forums), but in the meantime, there is a review of the Sky Train (http://www.travelgearreview.com/?p=40) at the Travel Gear Review site.

PM4HIRE
12-27-2007, 12:13 PM
If I had nine lives to live I'd buy Red Oxx gear. For me, Red Oxx is
simply too heavy and over-engineered for most URBAN travelers.

Red Oxx gear is really designed for hard core adventure traveling.

apyang
12-27-2007, 01:39 PM
Thanks for the reply. Sounds good. I have always been impressed by the quality of the bags. Do you have any sense of whether an Eagle Creek packing folder (for shirts) would fit in the center section of the bag? The measurements of the large packing cube would say no but one of the reviews gave the impression it would fit. I have come to be highly dependent on the folder - I need all the help I can get!

The 15" folder definitely fits. Any larger ones do not.

rabergnc
12-27-2007, 02:53 PM
Thanks everyone for the replies. Useful guidance to be sure. Good to know about the Eagle Creek folder and the information about Red Oxx - I certainly fall into the "Urban" traveler category. Also on closer inspection of the available photos, the straps of the Aeronaut seem to be better designed (more ergonomically?) than those of the Red Oxx bag - at least the Aeronaut bags straps look like they would be more comfortable.

Anyone (Darcy?) have any information if other colors will be brought back or introduced any time soon? I do like the Crimson and Steel but I am a sucker for Hunter green.

Darcy
12-27-2007, 03:12 PM
Anyone (Darcy?) have any information if other colors will be brought back or introduced any time soon? I do like the Crimson and Steel but I am a sucker for Hunter green.

Hunter and Grape are gone forever: for the foreseeable future, the Aeronaut will be available in colors Crimson, Steel, and Black.

rabergnc
12-27-2007, 03:36 PM
Hunter and Grape are gone forever

Too bad about the Hunter.... Crimson it will be then!..... Actually I ordered the steel .. my wife was concerned about the crimson showing dirt more. I think she wants the crimson for herself!!

scholar
12-27-2007, 03:45 PM
well, the last two times I packed my aeronaut(once on a plane over thanksgiving, and once last week on the bus for christmas) I packed a sport coat both times... slight wrinkles, but nothing that hanging it up in the bathroom when I showered didn't pull out...

of course, neither of those was heavily packed, just enough for a long weekend, or so of holiday revelry...


but honestly, with jacket, everything was fine, in fact, i think the jacket would have been more wrinkled fitting on the plane with me napping in it

rabergnc
12-27-2007, 03:57 PM
How did you pack the coat? I have always been reluctant to try to pack a sport coat without a form of some type.

scholar
12-27-2007, 06:32 PM
bottom level of the bundle wrap, and then my overcoat around it to tighten it down...

the "wrinkles" formed about seam that joins the arm to hte body, and steamed out during a luxurious half hour long shower:)

pretzelb
12-30-2007, 07:58 PM
If I had nine lives to live I'd buy Red Oxx gear. For me, Red Oxx is simply too heavy and over-engineered for most URBAN travelers.

Red Oxx gear is really designed for hard core adventure traveling.

I'm no expert but I did try the Air Boss and I think the folding method that uses straps like the Air Boss or Sky Train (as promoted by Doug D) is probably the best way to avoid wrinkles. I ended up with an Aeronaut because my primary goal wasn't avoiding wrinkles and I like the straps (I have not tried the Sky Train straps but reviews so far are good). If wrinkles are a top priority then I'd seriously look at anything with straps that allows you to use the folding method.

I would totally disagree about the Red Oxx gear being too heavy. In fact, nothing could be further from the truth. My first impression was "How can this lightweight piece be as strong as people claim?" when I got my first product from them. I quickly realized the materials were rock solid even though they were very light. Heavy is not an accurate description imho.

As far as over-engineered, I might slightly disagree. The one piece I can see being over-engineered is the clasp for the strap which is kind of big. Other than that I see the same attention to detail and determination to make a strong sturdy product that I see with Tom Bihn products. In fact, I see very little difference in the "engineering" of the two companies since both clearly want the products to take any kind of travel abuse you or the airline throw at them.

I enjoyed my Aeronaut on my trip home for the holidays but if I were having to travel for work and needed to make sure I avoided wrinkles I'd probably look at getting a Sky Train or maybe the MEI pack with straps. I might even give the Air Boss another try.

rabergnc
12-30-2007, 08:35 PM
I decided to go ahead and order the Aeronaut. Should be here late next week or thereabouts. I can avoid dress shirt wrinkles with the Eagle Creek folder - I've used it for a number of years and have gotten pretty good at using it. Pants are easy as well. Typically I wear or carry the sport coat. If I ever need a suit, I'll deal with that then! One of the sites (One Bag?) suggested a having both a bag for business and for leisure travel. Maybe that's the route I'll go if it comes to it....

Zephyrnoid
01-02-2008, 08:11 AM
I was surprised at how effective ROLLING garments is in keeping wrinkles in check. Aeronaut did very well for me for short biz trips-up to 5 days of Summer travel. For colder weather I need a second bag or only travel 2 days with it.

rabergnc
01-02-2008, 10:57 AM
Cold weather traveling is a pain. I just came to Omaha (from SE NC) and it is 9 degrees. I am able to take only a third to one half of what I take in warm weather just because of the bulk of some warm weather clothing. When the bag arrives, I'll try rolling some slacks - I don't think I'm ready to roll dress shirts!

pretzelb
01-02-2008, 12:10 PM
I've had decent luck with rolling clothes but last time I did it was when I used a full suitcase. I haven't tried it yet with a carry on bag like the Aeronaut.

Cold weather is indeed a major pain for packing. My recent trip to New England wasn't as cold as Omaha (it was in the 30s) but I overreacted and tried to pack a ski shell in the Aeronaut. Turns out I never used it and my fleece vest, layered shirts, and a knit hat was just fine.

Jackets and jeans are always a problem for me. You can be miserable if you need a jacket and don't have it but they take up so much room. The other thing that drives me nuts is flying from warm weather to cold weather and being forced to carry the jacket. I see plenty people do this at the airport but I can't stand wearing a coat inside when I'm already nervous about a flight.

Just
01-02-2008, 08:20 PM
Re: cold weather travel.. layering + wind proof + high tech + HAT! Even a skinny tropical thing like me can go without extra clothes at freezing... add a Polartec undershirt, and definitely the wind-proof (but thin) jacket (add a thin fleece if longer) and I'm good for anything 0 and above! No need for the huge marshmallow jackets!

rabergnc
01-02-2008, 09:29 PM
I agree about layering - doing it as I type... but a windprpof shell without a fleece lining will not work for me. I have become a serious cold weather wimp!! While I was born and raised in upstate NY and went to school in Buffalo, 30 years in various southern locales has ruined me!! Even 50 degrees seems cold....

backpack
01-03-2008, 07:04 AM
I am also all about layering.

Being in charge of shopping for the family, I am familiar with the "wisdom" of having department stores ultra hot in winter and freezing in summer.

Also I use public transport and running from one bus to another or from bus to train etc gets one hot in a jiffy.

From Spring to Winter, I always have a windbreaker stuffed in the back pocket of my Cafe Bag.

Right now, I have switched to a medium weight jacket with layers of fleece added depending how the temperature goes. When indoors, I stuff the whole thing in my Swift.

Compared to down jackets, Polartec is lightweight and made in the USA.

I also don't look like the Michelin's fellow. :)

For travel I usually pack my Brain Bag (without laptop) to capacity and I think I will use my Aeronaute to fold dress pants/jackets/shirts.

I wonder if the business world would ever be ok with Simon Cowell's dress Tees replacing the dress shirt.
Those can easily be packed rolled up.

pretzelb
01-03-2008, 09:40 AM
Re: cold weather travel.. layering + wind proof + high tech + HAT! Even a skinny tropical thing like me can go without extra clothes at freezing... add a Polartec undershirt, and definitely the wind-proof (but thin) jacket (add a thin fleece if longer) and I'm good for anything 0 and above! No need for the huge marshmallow jackets!

I was just thinking the other day about getting a good high quality wind proof shell. It would be great to get something thin for layering while traveling yet also something I could use for early morning jogging when it's cold. There was a post about a place that makes custom jackets that I need to find and investigate.

judge
01-03-2008, 01:15 PM
I was just thinking the other day about getting a good high quality wind proof shell. It would be great to get something thin for layering while traveling yet also something I could use for early morning jogging when it's cold. There was a post about a place that makes custom jackets that I need to find and investigate.

Might you be thinking of BeyondClothing.com (http://beyondclothing.com/)? I recently got a custom jacket from them and love it! They're expensive, but worth it, for me at least.

pretzelb
01-03-2008, 01:59 PM
Might you be thinking of BeyondClothing.com (http://beyondclothing.com/)? I recently got a custom jacket from them and love it! They're expensive, but worth it, for me at least.

That's the one. I just looked at a Vayu Plus X Jacket and the price nearly floored me. The options really add up. I think it was $15 just to upgrade the zipper. I sent them an email to get a recommendation so we'll see if they can talk me into it.

PM4HIRE
01-03-2008, 04:06 PM
If you're looking for a very high quality shell, click http://www.wintergreendesigns.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=WGN&Product_Code=10110&Category_Code=AK to view. I own one of these in black.

PM4HIRE
01-03-2008, 04:11 PM
Assuming you're not grossly obese, what is often called a "layered t-shirt"
will look good with jeans or khaki pants.

Lands End carries layered t-shirts, click http://www.landsend.com/pp/ShortSleeveLayeringTshirt~145697_-1.html?bcc=y&action=order_more&sku_0=::CKV&CM_MERCH=SRCH_00001_0000000001&origin=search to view.

rabergnc
01-03-2008, 04:26 PM
The Lands End shirts look nice. I have also had good luck using the Under Armor tech t-shirts. They are a bit cheaper than their regular shirts and have a cotton-like feel to them but do a good job getting rid of moisture. And, they wash and air dry pretty quickly.