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ozone
12-26-2009, 08:59 PM
For of us living in Canada and elsewhere, traveling to the US has just gotten a lot more difficult. Air Canada has announced that passengers will only be allowed one small carry on (purse, computer bag, diaper bag) and all other luggage will have to be checked. No idea no how they will define "small". This is in response to the attempted explosion attach over Detroit on Christmas Day 2009

This new regulation does not extend to within Canada flights or flights to other foreign locations, but I wouldn't be surprised if some new restrictions come into place globally. Actually, I guess it would apply to US citizens as well: the regulation would not affect them leaving the US, but might affect them on the return trip home from whatever location back into the US.

While I don't think my Aeronaut is "big" (especially compared to what some people bring on board!), I doubt it will classify as "small". So, my usual mode of operation (Aeronaut + ID/small side shoulder bag) is probably gone for now. Might have to start looking at the Western Flyer or the Tristar (although who knows if even they are "too big").

Of course, this seems like a case of closing the barn door a little late - how did this alleged terrorist: 1) get on the plane (he was a watch list but not a no fly list?); and 2) get the explosive materials on board in the first place?

Air travel is really becoming a pain - might as well go back to road trips. My wife and I are thinking of doing a road trip based on visiting all the eateries featured on Food Network's Diners, Drive-ins, and Dives! :D

Frank II
12-26-2009, 09:58 PM
This new rule is for all international flights headed towards the U.S.--and not just from Canada. It's also partially being extended to U.S. domestic flights:

As of Saturday night, here are some of the highlights:

1) Airlines are suggesting that people limit what they bring as carry-on since there will be at least two levels of bag check--regular security and again at the gate. Passengers are being advised that flights will be delayed due to extra security.

2) The one bag policy has so far just been limited to one bag, and nothing said about lowering size.

3) During the last hour of flight, no one may get out of their seat, access their carry on luggage, or have anything in their laps. No restrooms, no food, no beverage, nothing that hides your hands. You need to just sit quietly or the plane will be diverted to Guantanamo. (Okay, I added the last sentence.)

Knee jerk over reaction...but what did you expect?

ozone
12-27-2009, 12:53 AM
Huh... I didn't know it was being extended to "some" domestic US flights as well. That would be a big damper on travel.

I double-checked and Air Canada's website doesn't say the exact size allowed, but they did have a previous definition for a personal item, and the description they give sure suggests a "smaller" bag.

In response to new government policies and in order to reduce delays caused by the enhanced security measures for flights operating into the United States, effective Sunday, December 27, and until further notice, carry-on baggage will be restricted to one personal item (purse, computer bag, diaper bag, brief case or small backpack). All other items (roller bags, large backpacks, etc) must be checked-in.

I really can't figure out how they're going to enforce item [3] - " do nothing" during the final hour of the flight? I can't even read a book and drink some water?

... I remember a time when I used to get excited to fly... :(

ifse
12-27-2009, 01:17 AM
Interesting. On every flight I've taken between Asia and the US, they seem to time the last meal to finish with about one hour left in the flight. That is followed by people getting up to use the rest rooms, do their immigration or customs paperwork and clean up to get ready for arrival.

I guess that now they'll wake us up and feed us an hour earlier? Or maybe they'll do us a favor and stop the meals :p

maverick
12-27-2009, 06:56 AM
hi folks,

my travel plans will take me to san francisco, seattle and vancouver in the early part of january. the trip between seattle and vancouver will be in a rental car, but i'm flying the other legs.

i think i can get everything i need to bring in the aeronaut, but i can't go much smaller than that. it's a very short trip - just three days, so i just need to pack two changes of clothes. however, i am carrying some technical equipment (photographic/audio/network related) that i just would not want to check in.

i saw this (http://www.tsa.gov/press/happenings/northwest_statement.shtm) on the tsa website, but nothing stated about number or size of carry-on bags. can someone share a link to information they've found?

thanks!

Frank II
12-27-2009, 08:24 AM
As I'm writing this, the TSA has yet to publicly release any new rules. They claim that rules will constantly change so terrorists will be surprised.

The "personal sized" carry-on rule is Air Canada's. Nowhere else have I seen this. All that is being said is to limit the amount of carry-on if possible. The one bag rule is being enforced.

As for domestic, yes, some airlines have started. Again, no direction from TSA.

Most of the airlines websites say to expect increase security prior to boarding flights headed to the U.S.

maverick
12-27-2009, 08:31 AM
thank you, fbrown627!

PM4HIRE
12-27-2009, 08:43 AM
Road trips are much more fun than air travel, if you're not under a time constraint.

Checkout Healthy Highways (http://www.healthyhighways.com/) website!!!

Frank II
12-27-2009, 01:17 PM
Found this on CNN online this afternoon:

"An official with the Transportation Security Administration told CNN there will be increased security measures taken on international flights to the United States. The official advised travelers to allow for extra time before the flight. There will be no change in the number of carry-on bags allowed"

It looks like Air Canada is making up its own rules.

Darcy
12-27-2009, 01:18 PM
Thanks for gathering this info for us, fbrown627. Very helpful!

gmanedit
12-27-2009, 02:34 PM
"No restrooms": I don't expect this rule to last long. Airplanes count on quick turnarounds to get the planes back in the air; they will get this rule changed once people start peeing in their seats.

Also, what happens when the next terrorist makes his move mid-flight, or soon after takeoff?

And don't read this (http://www.correntewire.com/how_status_quo_can_kill_example_free_trade; go to "Mike was trying to make some extra money") if you don't want to worry about the effects of outsourcing airplane maintenance.

Last I heard, the TSA plans on frequently changing the rules, to keep terrorists off balance. Security theater. How will we know how to pack?

Just
12-27-2009, 05:04 PM
@gmanedit

I guess we should worry more about the plane, than the people in it.

Frank II
12-27-2009, 05:12 PM
Right now it's chaos as no one really knows what's going on:

At CDG in Paris, no one was allowed any carry ons. You had to put any items you wanted to take on board in a clear ziploc bag.

From Singapore and on other flights, the inflight enterainment and phones were turned off.

Heathrow and Gatwick airports are only allowing people one carry on.

Air Canada is only allowing one personal sized item.

As you can see, no consistency.

However, one bit of good news, these rules are only supposed to be for flights headed to the U.S. and not domestic flights. Southwest airlines said no changes have been made to their security and they are flying mostly on time.

This story is still developing and will take a few days to iron out. We got the kneejerk reaction from the U.S. government now, just like after the shoe bomber, and now we have to wait for the final verdict. Let's hope some sense is used and not fear tactics.

maverick
12-27-2009, 05:28 PM
Right now it's chaos as no one really knows what's going on:

At CDG in Paris, no one was allowed any carry ons. You had to put any items you wanted to take on board in a clear ziploc bag.


wow! you have a lot of people that travel for business and carry a laptop. the thought of checking in my laptop just frightens me. think about what would happen if you were flying out for a meeting for the day and your laptop didn't make it.



From Singapore and on other flights, the inflight enterainment and phones were turned off.


i think this would be okay - just bring a good book to read. :)



Heathrow and Gatwick airports are only allowing people one carry on.

Air Canada is only allowing one personal sized item.


i think most people can manage with one carry on if they have the opportunity to plan ahead. if you're limited to one personal sized item (i'm reading that to mean an empire builder or western flyer), you may need to check a bag in.



As you can see, no consistency.

However, one bit of good news, these rules are only supposed to be for flights headed to the U.S. and not domestic flights. Southwest airlines said no changes have been made to their security and they are flying mostly on time.

This story is still developing and will take a few days to iron out. We got the kneejerk reaction from the U.S. government now, just like after the shoe bomber, and now we have to wait for the final verdict. Let's hope some sense is used and not fear tactics.

yes, this may take a little time to shake out.

on a somewhat related topic, india announced earlier this month that it is changing its rules for those with multiple entry visas. india issues up to a 10 year multiple entry visa to u.s. citizens. the new rule they are putting in place is that you must wait two months between visits. so for someone like me who made a trip to india last year in february, march and may, this new rule doesn't give me the same flexibility to travel. you can ask for permission if you need to travel without a two month break in between, but it isn't clear under what criteria permission will be given. it also isn't clear whether this new rule is just for those with multiple entry visas.

i'm not sure what these changes were in reaction to, but i've heard different stories from different sources.

i'm sure it will become more clear as time passes. in the mean time, for 2010, i guess i can plan less frequent but longer visits...

thanks again, fbrown627!

ifse
12-28-2009, 08:35 AM
NO mention of any additional restrictions on carry-on items.


U.S. DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY
Transportation Security Administration
Aviation Security Directive
Subject: Security Directive
Number: SD 1544-09-06
Date: December 25, 2009

EXPIRATION: 0200Z on December 30, 2009
This Security Directive (SD) must be implemented immediately. The measures contained in this SD are in addition to all other SDs currently in effect for your operations.

INFORMATION: On December 25, 2009, a terrorist attack was attempted against a flight traveling to the United States. TSA has identified security measures to be implemented by airports, aircraft operators, and foreign air carriers to mitigate potential threats to flights.

APPLICABILITY: THIS SD APPLIES TO AIRCRAFT OPERATORS THAT CARRY OUT A SECURITY PROGRAM REGULATED UNDER 49 CODE OF FEDERAL REGULATIONS (CFR)1544.101(a).

ACTIONS REQUIRED: If you conduct scheduled and/or public charter flight operations under a Full Program under 49 CFR 1544.101(a) departing from any foreign location to the United States (including its territories and possessions), you must immediately implement all measures in this SD for each such flight.

1. BOARDING GATE

1. The aircraft operator or authorized air carrier representative must ensure all passengers are screened at the boarding gate during the boarding process using the following procedures. These procedures are in addition to the screening of all passengers at the screening checkpoint.

1. Perform thorough pat-down of all passengers at boarding gate prior to boarding, concentrating on upper legs and torso.

2. Physically inspect 100 percent of all passenger accessible property at the boarding gate prior to boarding, with focus on syringes being transported along with powders and/or liquids.

3. Ensure the liquids, aerosols, and gels restrictions are strictly adhered to in accordance with SD 154406-02E.

2. During the boarding process, the air carrier may exempt passengers who are Heads of State or Heads of Government from the measures outlined in Section I.A. of this SD, including the following who are traveling with the Head of State or Head of Government:

1. Spouse and children, or

2. One other individual (chosen by the Head of State or Head of Government)

3. For the purposes of Section I.B., the following definitions apply:

1. Head of State: An individual serving as the chief public representative of a monarchic or republican nation-state, federation, commonwealth, or any other political state (for example, King, Queen, and President).

2. Head of Government: The chief officer of the executive branch of a government presiding over a cabinet (for example, Prime Minister, Premier, President, and Monarch).

2. IN FLIGHT

1. During flight, the aircraft operator must ensure that the following procedures are followed:

1. Passengers must remain in seats beginning 1 hour prior to arrival at destination.

2. Passenger access to carry-on baggage is prohibited beginning 1 hour prior to arrival at destination.

3. Disable aircraft-integrated passenger communications systems and services (phone, internet access services, live television programming, global positioning systems) prior to boarding and during all phases of flight.

4. While over U.S. airspace, flight crew may not make any announcement to passengers concerning flight path or position over cities or landmarks.

5. Passengers may not have any blankets, pillows, or personal belongings on the lap beginning 1 hour prior to arrival at destination.

AIRCRAFT OPERATOR ACKNOWLEDGMENT: The aircraft operator must immediately provide written confirmation to its assigned PSI indicating receipt of this SD.

AIRCRAFT OPERATOR dissemination required: The aircraft operator must immediately pass the information and directives set forth in this SD to all stations affected, and provide written confirmation to its PSI, indicating that all stations affected have acknowledged receipt of the information and directives set forth in this SD. The aircraft operator must disseminate this information to its senior management personnel, ground security coordinators, and supervisory security personnel at all affected locations. All aircraft operator personnel implementing this SD must be briefed by the aircraft operator on its content and the restrictions governing dissemination. No other dissemination may be made without prior approval of the Assistant Secretary for the Transportation Security Administration. Unauthorized dissemination of this document or information contained herein is prohibited by 49 CFR Part 1520 (see 69 Fed. Reg. 28066 (May 18, 2004).

APPROVAL OF ALTERNATIVE MEASURES: With respect to the provisions of this SD, as stated in 49 CFR 1544.305(d), the aircraft operator may submit in writing to its PSI proposed alternative measures and the basis for submitting the alternative measures for approval by the Assistant Administrator for Transportation Sector Network Management. The aircraft operator must immediately notify its PSI whenever any procedure in this SD cannot be carried out by a government authority charged with performing security procedures.

FOR TSA ACTION ONLY: The TSA must issue this SD immediately to the corporate security element of all affected U.S. aircraft operators.
FOR STATE DEPARTMENT: Retransmittal to appropriate foreign posts is authorized. Post must refer to STATE 162917, 201826Z Sep 01, Subject: FAA Security Directives and Information Circulars: Definitions and Handling, for specific guidance and dissemination.

Gale Rossides
Acting Administrator

maverick
12-28-2009, 08:43 AM
thanks ifse!

this appears to be a temporary measure in response to last week's events. i imagine that before its expiration on 30-dec-2009 that it will be replaced by a refined and more permanent security directive.

i think we can expect interactions at security checkpoints and at boarding gates to be inconsistent while things get sorted out.

it will help everyone if we try to be patient and respectful towards everyone we interact with.

ex machina
12-28-2009, 09:32 AM
This toilet restriction stuff may lead to a surge in Depends (http://www.us.depend.com/) sales. I have no idea if they would have been of any use to the poor fellow who had explosive diarrhea from food poisoning though. What a choice he was faced with: run to the toilet and cause an incident, or poop in the aisle and cause an incident, or poop his pants and cause an incident. Now that last one you might think wouldn't have been so bad, but strange odors on a plane with everyone on hair trigger? Anyway you slice it this had no easy solutions.

gmanedit makes a valid point about people peeing in their seats. My speculation is that the airlines will not be doing such a thorough job inspecting the seats (I have often found trash in the seat pouch) and so it will happen that people will be sitting on pee soaked chairs. Now, I don't think that generally people will state they pee'd the seat when it happens because:




They are embarrassed
They are afraid they will be billed
They are angry with the Airlines


The airlines will act as if this isn't an issue and not do anything unless a peson complains. I expect that the actions the airlines will take, if any are going to be:

Offer a barrier to the passenger to place on the seat
Offer a new cushion
Offer a new seat (if available)


What I think they will assiduously avoid is testing the seats for wet spots, as discovering such could delay the flight turn around time. Also, I can see people intentionally peeing in their seats upon sitting down for a free upgrade to first class. Airline travel is getting flushed down the loo. :p

I have a very low confidence in the practices of most airlines and find the security at airports to be an ineffective imposition that does nothing in terms of real security and is mostly a nuisance for decent people. In general, I find the system suspect, and contemptible. The error of being politically correct as opposed to effective remains a mainstay of a rather expensive and ultimately ineffective security sideshow.

The model I would suggest is the one used by the safest airline in the world: El Al (http://www.elal.co.il). They know their passengers. Background checks are run, names are compared to intelligence, they know who is sitting on that plane. Maybe they can take over things here? :rolleyes:

PM4HIRE
12-28-2009, 10:02 AM
We'll see what many of you have to say when a terrorist blows up a plane. USA (not Canada) is a target and protecting the public is a complex issue. Most of you on this thread seem have only your own narrow interests to consider.

ex machina
12-28-2009, 10:50 AM
We'll see what many of you have to say when a terrorist blows up a plane. USA (not Canada) is a target and protecting the public is a complex issue. Most of you on this thread seem have only your own narrow interests to consider.

I disagree, PM4HIRE. I don't think anyone is suggesting that security be compromised to increase comfort and flexibility in travel, but rather the frustration is over the inadequacy of the current system which seems to be at least tacitly ineffective in stopping terrorists while the TSA harasses old ladies in an effort to appease political concerns that they should appear not discriminate. I think we can all agree that security measures are needed, but further than that, for the taxes spent, many feel that the return has been abysmal.

My position is that profits and politics are taking a front seat to security and safety and I would like to see that changed. Less security theater and more actual security. The best way I know of has been the El Al method of vetting passengers thoroughly before they ever set foot on a plane, weeks ahead of departure. It works. Making people hold their pee not only doesn't, but is ultimately counterproductive.

The poor state of airline security and safety has led me to drastically reduce my air travel. It's a sad state of affairs when Amtrak (http://www.amtrak.com) starts looking attractive. :rolleyes:

PM4HIRE
12-28-2009, 11:06 AM
Since when are Tom Bihn customers experts on airline security issues? My point is that "it is what it is so deal with it". Times like these you need to be alert and flexible, as opposed to thinking you know and control all the variables in this situation.

Frank II
12-28-2009, 12:37 PM
The backlash was so great against the in-flight rules that many have already been changed.

The TSA now says you can get up during the last hour of flight but must remain seated when the cabin crew insists on it. (The reason for the one hour rule, believe it or not, is because they were afraid if a plane was blown up, debris would fall on a populated area. They also realized people can tell when a plane starts to descend.)

The in flight entertainment system including GPS navigation can now be turned back on. (see above.)

Some foreign airports are still restricting how much carry on you take.

The U.S. government is finally admitting, after stating yesterday that the system worked, that they may have botched this one.

Extra searches on the ground will continue.

Luckily, this knee jerk reaction, like the one after the shoe bomber, is ending.
More security on the ground is understandable. But if they do a good job on the ground, why do they have to treat all passengers like possible terrorists?

The reason is simple: Most people running these government agencies, regardless of which party is in power, are political apppointees who are owed a favor by the President for helping them get elected. They're not really qualified to do the job.

I'm not one to roll over, play dead and follow blindly what the government says. They are not doing what's in the best interest of the people, they are doing what's in the best interest of getting themselves re-elected. And if it's security theater that works, then we get security theater.

PM4HIRE
12-28-2009, 02:33 PM
fbrown627

And you are not an expert on airline security?

Frank II
12-28-2009, 04:19 PM
No, but I listened to interviews with people who are and have said most of the in-flight rules the TSA initiated this weekend were ridiculous.

These are people who have spent much of their adult life in the law enforcement/security/intelligence fields. Not the political appointees running the TSA and Homeland Security.

If you wish to believe everything the government tells you, go ahead. I prefer to think independently. I prefer to listen to real experts and not politicians.

ifse
12-28-2009, 07:18 PM
I think that the frustration of this past week is that some of the measures seemed draconian or bizarre, or at the minimum, were not explained well or at all. There was much confusion over the 1-hour rule, and even with the new suggestion of wanting to avoid a crash over populated areas, I'm still skeptical - surely it's not always that only the last hour of flight is over cities.

I've read in many places that maybe we should copy El Al. First, it's not only El Al, but every airline that operates out of Israel, including United, Delta (at one time, not sure about now), and Lufthansa. None of them has had a major security incident in many years.

Second, security procedures there are extremely extensive, and I don't think are practical or scalable to the travel volume in the US, or many countries. In Israel during the time of suicide bombings a few years ago, you even get wand-ed going into shopping malls and supermarkets, and it's just not something we can do here.

The one thing I wish we would do away with is the shoe check. It's probably the most inconvenient and slowest step in security check, but for some reason, it's not done in Israel, despite the intense scrutiny they apply to everything else. Whatever technology they employ to eliminate the shoe check, I wish we would bring it to the US.

BPritchard
12-28-2009, 07:55 PM
Hopefully things will have calmed down for our trip to Seattle in June.

I have prepared myself and have all the electronic and camera items in clear TB organizers. Also a snake charmer for the chargers, etc.

I'll section off the electronics into the Ruck's sack and medium cafe bag. I'll keep these bags separate going through screening. Then, I will put them in my Ego as a carry on.

I use the Ruck's sack and medium cafe bag as a combo daypack during outings. The Ruck's sack carries jackets,rain gear, etc. The cafe bag is used to carry things I need to get to quickly. The partenership works out quite well. Plus I can carry the Ruck's sac or cafe bag only depending on my needs.
And the Ego is available if I need more room than the combo Ruck's sac and cafe bag.

Unfortunately, there is only one group of world citizens causing the problem. They need to be profiled, not someone's grandmother.

ozone
12-28-2009, 09:33 PM
Well, regardless of we personally think of how our society should or should not deal with terrorism, the reality is there will be no more one-bag/carry on travel for flights from Canada to the US (unless you can stuff all your travel items into a laptop bag) for the intermediate future.

http://www.tc.gc.ca//eng/mediaroom/backgrounders-menu-5781.htm
Update to Security Measures
As a result of a terrorist incident on Northwest Flight 253 from Amsterdam to Detroit on December 26, 2009, additional security measures were put in place at Canada's airports for flights to the United States.

On December 28, Transport Canada put in place enhanced security measures for passengers on flights bound for the United States. Effective immediately, US bound passengers are not allowed to bring carry on bags into the cabin of the aircraft, with some exceptions. Passengers may carry with them the following items: medication or medical devices, small purses, cameras, coats, items for care of infants, laptop computers, crutches, canes, walkers, containers carrying life sustaining items, a special needs item, musical instruments, or diplomatic or consular bags.

What's happening for domestic flights within the US?

ex machina
12-28-2009, 10:45 PM
http://www.tc.gc.ca//eng/mediaroom/backgrounders-menu-5781.htm
Update to Security Measures
Passengers may carry with them the following items: medication or medical devices, small purses, cameras, coats, items for care of infants, laptop computers, crutches, canes, walkers, containers carrying life sustaining items, a special needs item, musical instruments, or diplomatic or consular bags.


Hmm, well I guess I should have bought that Federation of Planets Diplomatic Pouch I saw at a Star Trek Con when I was in High School. :p

I wonder though, if one puts say a CPAP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_airway_pressure) machine in their carry-on, with all their other stuff, does that exempt the bag and allow transport in cabin? I know they are exempt, but they generally come in their own case for transport. What if the machine was placed into one's regular carry-on bag? More a point of curiosity as I will not be traveling by air soon. I have been looking at Amtrak though, and am considering building a vacation around a USA RailPass. That looks like it might be a fun way to travel, see the country, etc. Anyone ever travel Amtrak? Ever use a RailPass? Any feedback on such? Tips? Ideas?

Frank II
12-29-2009, 12:27 AM
As far as U.S. domestic flights, there are no changes to the carry-on rules. The only difference is increased screening on the ground.

I believe the "no carry on" rule put in place by the Canadian government is only temporary. (Westjet's statement about it says the rules are in place until Thursday.) It may be that there are so many flights from Canada to the U.S. that Canada can't mobilize the manpower fast enough for the extra screenings. With no carry-ons, the lines will move faster. (This is just a guess on my part.)

Many short haul flights from Canada into the U.S. are being canceled. The delays are extensive.

Akilae
12-29-2009, 12:36 AM
I am reminded of a very nice statement I once heard: "You [modern] people will never know the pleasure of traveling. Sure you may have the pleasure of arriving, but not traveling."

ex machina
12-29-2009, 01:42 AM
I am reminded of a very nice statement I once heard: "You [modern] people will never know the pleasure of traveling. Sure you may have the pleasure of arriving, but not traveling."

That is a great observation. Thanks for sharing it. :)

bluedenim
12-30-2009, 09:52 AM
flying to hawaii the end of january on Alaska airlines and they have the similar policy as air canada.
while I don't want to check my stuff the one thing I do not want to check is my digital slr....now I hope that is ok.
I have a small bag that I carry it and my other lens and my netbook in....
as long as these things I am still able to carry on I will happy.

Frank II
12-30-2009, 12:13 PM
Bluedenim...the no carry-on rule for flights between Canada and the U.S. is not an airline policy but from Transport Canada. ALL airlines flying between Canada and the U.S> must ban carry ons.

However, this might change in January.

PM4HIRE
12-30-2009, 01:32 PM
Here's how you solve the Air Canada and Alaska problem:

Pack to two bags; one to keep and one to lose.;)