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Leena
04-13-2014, 05:26 AM
So I decided to type out our packing list as it sits today, we leave in 2 weeks. This will be our first 'light' packing trip. We usually pack heavy but where we are going, bags with wheels are not going to be easy to manage and I remember when Greece (similar terrain) killed me and my bags. So I decided to buy 2 aeronauts and 1 synapse 25 for this trip (go dyneema). I'd love any feedback on this planned list.

And I should say I'm a really bad overpacker, I tend to just throw stuff in my luggage. Like my last trip, I think I took 20 pairs of underwear for a week long trip.

This list is for me and my husband:

2 Aeronauts
1 travel friendly purse (packed)
1 Synapse 25 (packed until in plane)
1 Eddie Bauer packable backpack (packed)

Various packing cubes to pack all the stuff below
2 Ultra-sil compression bags (I figure this will be for dirty clothes, especially on the way home)
2 reusable shopping bags
2 combo locks, 2 caribiners

2 Passports (and a copy of each)
2 Driver’s licenses
Money - Credit cards (1 Amex, 1 Visa, 1 Atm - for each of us), Euros, US dollars
Note: Call credit cards, bank to avoid fraud alert
1 Money belt, 1 neck wallet

For plane - (put into backpack, take out of bag before putting in overhead)
2 jackets
1 scarf
Earplugs (2 sets)
2 Inflatable neck pillows
2 Klean kanteens
2 toothbrushes
toothy tabs
Deodorant wipes
travel brush
Lip Balm
Small hand lotion
Nuun or other electrolyte
Nuts
Mojo, Lara, Luna bars
Peanut butter packets (don't need this in backpack, put into 3-1-1 bag)

Ipod, Iphone, Blackberry & charger (Note: activate international access)
Camera & charger
electrical outlet converters/plugs
mini flashlight

Hotel information for all hotels
Travel insurance information
Rick Steeves Rome guidebook
Small italian dictionary
Kindle
2-3 books
2 pens
2 mechanical pencils
small notebook

Ibuprofen
Benadryl
Non-drowsy allergy pills
Daytime medicine pills
Glucosamine
No JetLag pills
Bandaids, neosporin
Moleskin
travel sewing kit
toilet paper

Sunscreen (face and body)
BB cream
face lotion
Shampoo bar
Conditioner bar
Face and body soap bar
small mouthwash
Deodorant crystal
Body powder
small gel deodorant
Tiger balm
razor
Diva cup
Comb

2 inflatable hangers
1 travel wash line
pocket detergent
small quick-dry towel

Clothes Me:
hat
sunglasses
2 scarves (1 in backpack)
Buff
2-3 headbands
wedding band

1 pair of sandals
1 pair of sneakers (wear)
1 pair of ballet flats
4 pairs of socks (wear 1)

3 bras (wear 1)
6 pairs of undies (wear 1)

3 pairs of capris (wear 1)
1 pair of pants
1 skirt
1 dress
1 long sleeve shirt
1 3/4 length shirt
1 cardigan wrap
4 short sleeve shirts (wear 1)
4 tank tops
yoga pants
sleep shorts
Tankini

Him:
hat
sunglasses

1 pair of flip flops
1 pair sneakers (wear)

4 undershirts
6 pairs of underwear (wear 1)
4 pairs of socks (wear 1)

3 pairs of pants
2 pairs of shorts
3 long sleeve shirts
4 short sleeve shirts
swim trunks

Melissa
04-13-2014, 07:28 AM
I am getting ready to travel Italy soon as well! However, my list is quite smaller than yours. I will be following your thread as well to make sure I haven't missed anything.

Rocks
04-13-2014, 07:42 AM
You can definitely edit your clothes haul. You have, in pants/capris/skirt/dress at least 6 bottoms. You can halve that, I think. I did 2 weeks in Italy last November with one skirt, one dress (actually a long black tee I wore over leggings), one pair of pants, and a pair of leggings. I mixed and matched everything. Also, downloading the guidebook and dictionary to your phone or Kindle will save a lot of weight.
I think my best advice is Don't Schlepp Books! They're heavy. I love books, don't get me wrong, but that's what Kindles are for when traveling. You'll be so much happier traveling with a lighter load. Have fun!

Leena
04-13-2014, 08:29 AM
Melissa, I hope you enjoy!

Rocks, I will definitely reconsider the pants. I may drop the yoga pants and a pair of capris. I'm also undecided on the dress. It'll be nice but I can get a similar function out of the skirt.

As for the books, my husband is not into having a kindle but we have books from the thrift store that we can even leave as he read them... somehow. I thought about using the guidebook in the kindle but I find flipping pages to stuff much easier.

jannilee
04-13-2014, 08:37 AM
My rule ( and a pretty standard one for light travel) is the rule of 3 - three tops, three bottoms, three undies. Since this is your first attempt you might allow yourself a bit more, but not much. Remember not to take any " but i might need it" stuff. If you don't take it and you need it, buy it there.

I agree with Rocks - 6 bottoms and 10 tops are definitely too much. Try to cut it in half. Is your clothing quick dry? It is worth the investment to have at least some quick dry pieces. Also, do a full pack of what you plan to take and then schlep it around on your back for an hour or so to see how it feels. I usually find that very motivating! I aim for about 15 lb total weight. What is the carry on limit if the airlines you will be using? Stay WELL below that. Remember that you will probably want to bring some stuff back with you and you do not want to have to check your aeronauts.

Are you using packing cubes? They make packing and unpacking so much easier! You will love the feeling of freedom of not having to wait for bags and being able to manoeuvre more easily. How are you getting around Italy and where are you going? Is this your first trip there or a return visit?

Rip apart your guidebook and take only the parts you need.

Leena
04-13-2014, 08:55 AM
This will be our first time to Italy. We are traveling on United (direct flight there) and Lufthansa (connection in Germany on way home). We will be in Rome, Naples, Amalfi. Travel is by train or bus. I was also thinking that we would probably check 1 Aeronaut on the flight home depending on how much stuff we buy.

I didn't think about ripping apart the book though, that is a good idea. And most everything we are taking is quick dry so I know it can be washed and we are preparing for that but being the first time, the whole thing makes me a bit nervous. And yeah we will be having packing cubes that go with the Aeronaut.

Turbodave
04-13-2014, 09:36 AM
We are also planning a 2-week trip to Italy. This seems like a lot to pack. We're using one Tri-Star and a bag the size of an Aeronaut. There will be daypacks inside these two bags for use after arrival. I would agree with previous comments about less clothing; something like 2 pairs of pants and 1 pair of shorts, 3 pairs of rinsable travel underwear, 1 long sleeve shirt and 2-3 short sleeve (bonus for rinsable). We use rain shells and down sweaters that pack small, and avoid books.

We've done other light trips, and are paring down even more. Our last trip involved a motorcycle trip, which involved dragging along a huge bag with helmets, jackets, boots. That bag got delayed and we barely got it in time to start the tour. Never again!!

Badger
04-13-2014, 01:58 PM
I think you can skip the toilet paper unless you are really nervous about it for some reason. Take a look at your toiletries and see if there is any way you and your husband can use the same products so you're not carrying duplicates; also see if you can replace the shampoo/conditioner/soap bar with an all-in-one bar; Lush and Chagrin Valley make them and they work well.

As far as electronics go, try to take the bare minimum of chargers and cables. It's unlikely that all your devices will run out of juice simultaneously. If you can find cables that work with multiple types of devices, so much the better. For instance, I figured out I could plug my PPUClip (http://www.amazon.com/PPUCLIP-Universal-Charger-Adjustable-Contacts/dp/B001RGYZJS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1397422336&sr=8-1&keywords=ppu+clip) into my iPhone charger and thus leave my entire camera battery charger at home. Finally, check your devices to be sure, but it doesn't look to me like you are taking anything that will require a 240V charge converter. All you'll need is a plug adapter for Italian sockets—leave the others at home.

I agree with the rule of three, or perhaps four as an upper limit, for everything including undergarments. I will say that you may actually want the yoga pants. Depending on where you're flying from in the US, you could be on the plane a very long time, and knit pants with an elastic waist can be much more comfortable. If you wash them right away, they could also double as your pj pants.

Finally, try to eliminate anything if you have already got an item that serves a similar function. For instance, do you need a hat and two scarves and a buff (I am sort of guessing that a buff is a neck wrap head thing?)? Short answer: no; longer answer: you can decide if each item performs a unique function, and thus, if you need all of them. Do consider packing only one scarf. Scarves are EVERYWHERE in Italy so you could buy one as a souvenir and wear it.

FWIW, I went to Italy in the middle of winter with 12 total pounds of electronics and clothing in an Aeronaut, so even less than jannilee's recommendation, and I can assure you I'm way larger than she is. The important thing to know about Italy is that unless you are on the extreme end of clothing sizes, you can pretty much pick up anything like T-shirts and such at Bennetton, and tights and socks at Calzedonia, so don't worry that if you didn't bring enough that you're stuck. I guarantee that your happiness will increase as the weight of your bag goes down.

PS: unless your jackets are Gore-Tex, you may want to tuck in an umbrella because it can rain at a moment's notice anywhere near the coast.

PPS: Even though the water is safe, sometimes it doesn't taste very good. It is quite possible that you may find it easier to simply buy a couple of bottles of water, fill as needed if you find the tap water palatable, and then replace whenever they get nasty. I almost always end up drinking acqua frizzante the whole time, anyway, and my KK goes unused and unloved.

Leena
04-13-2014, 02:15 PM
I think either somehow I screwed up my previous post or it is waiting for moderation, in either case. Yeah, I forgot the yoga pants I want to bring aren't cotton so they might be better to take and I could leave the sleep shorts home.

I also read that public restrooms in Italy don't have toilet paper which is why I was planning to bring some to carry along.

I may also just leave the scarves (depending) and then try to buy 1 while I'm there.

I didn't think about ripping apart the guidebook which would probably be a good idea.

readmore
04-13-2014, 02:20 PM
Just want to say good luck on your first packing light voyage! It will become a fun challenge as you try to cut more for each subsequent trip. Don't fret if you don't get it perfect the first time. I've been at it for years and years and still look for improvements.

Scarves, especially from a place like Rome, are the best souvenirs, in my opinion.

Also, I loved the Rick Steves Rome guide - the trick about exiting the Vatican was worth the price of the entire thing!

Badger
04-13-2014, 03:05 PM
@Leena, sorry—your posts automatically go into moderation for a while when you're new. Those posts should appear for you and everyone else to see now.

I suppose it's possible that the restrooms won't have toilet paper; however, I have spent over 100 total days in Italy and I have never used a public restroom. I would always use the restroom in restaurants, cafes, museums, etc. If you're at the train station or airport, there will definitely be toilet paper. Like I said, if you're nervous about it, no harm in taking some.

I totally agree with readmore: packing light involves a long process of refinement. The important thing is to have a good time (which is so easy to forget when you're in the throes of planning!) and take note of what you used, what you didn't, and what you wished you had had. Packing for each trip, whether it's short or long, is a learning experience for me. I think that by simply typing out all the things you plan to take, you're well on your way.

Vecturist
04-13-2014, 04:42 PM
Having done 2 round-trip long hauls in six months, I definitely recommend packing either yoga pants or light pj bottoms to wear on a long flight (I think you'll find a decent percentage of the flight doing just that, and comfort trumps fashion on 12 hour plane flight). I'll also add that depending on what class you are traveling in, you may get amenity kits which will give you things like ear plugs and minis of toothpaste.

I'll also add I brought my insulated KK along for a trip to London, and other than getting coffee in the airport on the first leg of my flights, I didn't use it during my trip.

And one more thing I'll add, although it may be TMI for some guys - packing a sports bra to change into on a long haul flight is definitely worth it for the comfort factor.

dnarud13
04-13-2014, 05:12 PM
You guys are going to have a great time. We drove down to stay a week in Rome in Feb. What a great time! You're going at a perfect time since it shouldn't be too hot yet. It will still packed, though. Our first couple nights there we went to the major piazza's, Spanish Steps and Trevi and they were zoos. Then one morning we woke early for no reason and decided to walk about. That was the best! You have the whole city to yourself at 6am; it was so cool! Beware the cost of cafés at Piazza del Popolo, got totally shafted there. The locals go to Trastevere (west of the river) for the restaurants. There is this cool little Biblio Café (little green kiosk library) on the north side of the river between Piazza Navona and the Castel Sant' Angelo. Very good espresso and brioche for breakfast. We hit that every morning on the way to the dog park. The neighborhood just a couple blocks west of Navona, where we stayed, has a bunch of nice little eateries. Piazza Fiori, 300yds south of Navona, always has a market going. Through Eternity Tours is highly recommended. .... jeez, there's just so much. https://www.facebook.com/dana.durand/media_set?set=a.10152264324559380.519124379&type=3

Leena
04-13-2014, 05:52 PM
Dana - Those pictures are lovely!

And regarding the klean kanteens, I read a review of Platypus bottles, so I'm ordered 1 to try. We generally travel quite a bit, although in the last few years its been mostly domestic (US) travel. I figure having a bottle that can be packed fairly flat might be a bonus.

scribe
04-14-2014, 03:42 AM
I've been to Italy a couple of times and never had issues with toilet paper - as Badger says, use the ones in restaurants and museums and you'll be fine. For peace of mind, you could pack a couple of pocket packs of Kleenex instead (and replace them in Italy if they get used up) - they can be used as TP if needed and are less embarrassing to carry around :)

I usually wear bamboo yoga pants on long-haul flights - very comfy, though (for me) a bit heavy for sleep wear in a warm climate. OTOH good quality ones can be worn during the day at your destination if you're going really casual.

Leena
04-14-2014, 04:33 AM
I have to say you guys are awesome :) Thanks so much for all the advice.

Going to Italy has been a dream of mine for a long time but for various reasons, other trips took priority. I remember being in Greece and then in Switzerland and feeling like I could almost touch it. Then we sort of booked the trip on a whim a few weeks ago and I almost felt like I didn't have enough time to prepare. Then I read a suggestion to travel light, with something you can carry easily and decided to go with it but then I realized I had no idea how to travel light. I'm feeling better now though.

dnarud13
04-14-2014, 05:05 AM
Stretch pants/tights are standard daily wear there.

Leena
04-14-2014, 05:23 AM
Well.. I'm not much of a stretch pants/tights person at home unless it is for the gym. I don't have enough tunics that would be appropriate for such wear. I will make sure to keep the yoga pants on the list though just in case. Plus might be useful for the day we go to Mt. Vesuvius.

Janine
04-14-2014, 09:11 AM
Fun! I hope you have a great time!

I agree with the other suggestions to narrow your clothing selection, but I'm not sure how much you should remove. What are you going to do in Italy? Staying in one place or moving around a lot? Do you have fancy dinners or events to go to?

I'm trying to picture your bag situation. What do you mean by "(packed)" and "(packed until in plane)"?

Leena
04-14-2014, 11:13 AM
No fancy dinners but I do plan to go to one nice restaurant in Rome which is why I'd like something a bit nicer. We are staying at 4 different hotels on the trip, mostly a lot of walking, some light hiking, regular tourist stuff.

And "packed" just means it is something I want to use on our trip but don't need until we get there so I want it in the luggage. For the backpack, I want to put that under our seats so that it has things easily accessible so I will put it into the Aeronaut until we are about to board.

And this morning my husband agreed to get a second kindle so that we won't have to carry around books! That is always the bane of our carry-ons with him carrying his various books.

Ilkyway
04-14-2014, 12:49 PM
For the toilet-paper: I always have a packet of tishus (?) (I mean one juse handkerchief in a small pack). They are for all kinds of emergencies and do double as toilet-paper at times.

Ilkyway
(In Germany its the restrooms on the highways often without toilet-paper)

scribe
04-14-2014, 01:07 PM
Same here - just about anywhere you go, there's a chance you'll find yourself in a stall that's just run out of TP. Tissues are your friend!


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TavaPeak
04-14-2014, 01:31 PM
We were in ROme at the end of March, and it was often sunny and mild. Short sleeved shirts and a light cotton knit jacket were what I wore, when it wasn't raining. Couldn't stand to wear long-sleeve tops. (Yes for sure take a light umbrella, or buy an overpriced one there.) It wasn't cold at night.

Ditto the advice on the Kleenex. None to be found in hotel rooms, and many stalls seemed to run out of TP. Rick Steves was a good guide for Rome - I ripped out the sections I knew we wouldn't use, to lighten that book. Except for RS in paper, you could probably depend on your Kindle rather than other books.

There was a fun department store (Upim?) across the street from Santa Maria Maggiore that had great scarves and fun clothes. Pack light, and shop there if you need to? I never got to the GABS Gabrieli store - wanted to see the bags that fold and morph. Guess that means another trip to Rome sometime.

Badger
04-14-2014, 02:29 PM
And "packed" just means it is something I want to use on our trip but don't need until we get there so I want it in the luggage. For the backpack, I want to put that under our seats so that it has things easily accessible so I will put it into the Aeronaut until we are about to board.

Hey Leena, just popping back to ask you: have you tried test-packing your Aeronaut with your stuff and then adding a semi-loaded S25? I can tell you that an empty S25 will take up substantial room in an Aeronaut, so unless your airline is super-strict about one bag only (and I don't think United is for international flights), you might just want to wear the S25 and carry the Aeronaut with the Absolute Strap. By distributing the weight you shouldn't have any trouble carrying the Aeronaut by hand.

Also, if you end up deciding to check your Aeronaut on the way home, there is a service at FCO I highly recommend. Before you check in, you can go to a kiosk where they'll wrap your bag in extra-thick plastic wrap. It does wonders to keep contents inside the bag and will also protect the bag's handles from getting snagged on conveyor belts and the like. It's just a couple Euro, if I recall correctly, and worth it to my mind.

dwright17
04-14-2014, 02:43 PM
Great list! I just got back from Israel and have a few lessons I learned from that trip.

1 - I didn't notice a sink stopper on your list. My sink didn't have a stopper and I tried to be creative to stop the drain so I could wash in the sink, but it was a pain. I think that'd be a great addition.

2 - I know many folks here go by the rule of 3, but for me, I needed more tops (it was a study tour and we went for twelve hours straight each day). I actually took 6 tops - four short sleeve and two long sleeve, and it was perfect. I needed two shirts a day due to the heat - one for touring all day, and another outfit for dinner and evening classes. I took three pants, one shirt and one pair of yoga pants. I could have gone without the skirt or the yoga pants, as I used one or the other as mainly the outfit on the plane or just being in the room with my roommate. I probably could've gone with three total pants, but I was grateful to go longer without washing every other night. The way our room was configured, we had almost no space between the ceiling and shower rod, and a very narrow window, so hanging things to dry was a creative task as well.

3 - I was very grateful to take my Aeronaut only half packed so that I had room for souvenirs. My bag weighed 15 pounds going and 22 coming home (many paper materials handed out in class, sadly!). One person suggested (after I left) packing a smaller duffel in the bottom of the Aeronaut for souvenirs. While I had no trouble on this trip because I shipped some things to family across the country, I plan to do that on my next trip. You could pack all your dirty laundry and non-breakables in one bag and check it, and use the other bag to carry breakables and valuables with you on the plane.

I hope this helps!

jannilee
04-14-2014, 02:57 PM
Yes, definitely a sink stopper. I take the large flat one that fits over all kinds of sink drains. Also a washcloth or whatever you use to wash yourself as they don't supply anything but towels. I also take several ziploc bags for damp or messy things or to compress clothes if i need to. Amazing how we think of things as we go along and one idea triggers another. Good idea asking 2 weeks ahead!

Leena
04-14-2014, 04:27 PM
Hey Leena, just popping back to ask you: have you tried test-packing your Aeronaut with your stuff and then adding a semi-loaded S25? I can tell you that an empty S25 will take up substantial room in an Aeronaut, so unless your airline is super-strict about one bag only (and I don't think United is for international flights), you might just want to wear the S25 and carry the Aeronaut with the Absolute Strap. By distributing the weight you shouldn't have any trouble carrying the Aeronaut by hand.

Also, if you end up deciding to check your Aeronaut on the way home, there is a service at FCO I highly recommend. Before you check in, you can go to a kiosk where they'll wrap your bag in extra-thick plastic wrap. It does wonders to keep contents inside the bag and will also protect the bag's handles from getting snagged on conveyor belts and the like. It's just a couple Euro, if I recall correctly, and worth it to my mind.

I was only putting the S25 in the aeronaut just for ease of handling. I actually don't have it yet. I do have another bag that would work to help test it but otherwise, I may leave it at home if it takes too much space.

monkeylady
04-14-2014, 07:19 PM
I agree with all your reco's from Israel trip. They are things I do also!

giuliof
04-15-2014, 06:38 AM
If you are trying to cut down the weight you could leave out some things that you can easily buy in Italy:

- toilet paper (you find it in every public place anyway)
- sunscreen cream
- shampoo
- various soap types
- deodorant

monkeylady
04-15-2014, 08:12 AM
A travel clothes line is a good idea, especially the woven, stretchy kind (available on Amazon). You can string it anywhere and you don't need clothes pins. You just insert a little corner of the fabric into the weave of the line. And the sink stopper is a necessity if you sink wash. Some people wash their clothing right in the shower. Others use a large zip bag, fill with water and soap, zip, and agitate. I prefer soaking my wash a little bit as I am known to be a messy eater. You could soak in a bag but then are still faced with sink rinses. Thus, I travel with these two above items all the time and I'm glad to have them both. You can easily use bar soap to wash, but I love my little Woolite packets. Also, some people swear by inflatable hangers as they feel the clothes dry faster, but I'm not sold yet on these.

Leena
04-16-2014, 04:29 AM
Yeah, we have the clothesline. I was going to take some ziplock bags but I forgot why I changed my mind. I'll put a couple aside.

And unrelated to packing, I do have to say the Rick Steves book is already proving invaluable. I have been reading it but I didn't think about booking things ahead of time. Good thing I decided to try both the Vatican and Borghese gallery last night. Regular vatican tickets were sold out for the days we will be in Rome (!) but I was able to get a good tour time that would fit our schedule. And found a good time for the Borghese gallery but pickings were slim.

I guess I'm really naive on how booked/packed things will be. I figured out it was high season when I booked our hotel (and the prices jumped for our dates) and Rick Steves only confirms it in his book.

scribe
04-16-2014, 05:20 AM
Spring is a popular time to visit Italy - the weather is warm and sunny but not too hot. I first went there for Easter back in 2003 - I wanted to see the fireworks and flag-waving ceremony in Florence on Easter Sunday, and also visit Venice at a time when the canals weren't too smelly.

(I've since been back to Venice in October, which is also a good time - though it can be rainy.)

Leena
04-16-2014, 06:27 AM
The funny thing is I almost booked for Easter but I didn't realize it was Easter. I figure Rome is popular but I can't imagine being in Rome/Vatican during the most important Catholic holiday of the year. Once I realized my initial dates would've put us there at Easter, I moved a couple weeks later.

I think if/when we go back, it'd probably be Fall or possibly just after the beginning of Lent (we are vegetarian and a vegetarian friend told me there seem to be more options during Lent).

scribe
04-16-2014, 07:15 AM
Yeah, southern Europe isn't terribly vegetarian-friendly - there's this assumption that you should eat lots of vegetables and fish/meat :)

TavaPeak
04-16-2014, 07:53 AM
When we were there in March the "ciofe" were in season - delicious teeny artichokes. Doubt they'll be in season when you're there, but I was glad our guide told me about them. Eating what's in season might be a good strategy for vegetarian options.

Leena
04-16-2014, 06:30 PM
I did a quick test pack of my clothes (underwear and socks included) minus what I'd wear and it fit into the large packing cube for the aeronaut. That isn't saying much since that packing cube is huge although I had room more for.

I figured I'm going to do a switch and drop a couple tank tops. I also test wet, wrung out and dried a shirt today to see how well it would dry. It dried within 4 or 5 hours so I figure it would be a good option.

Melissa
04-16-2014, 07:41 PM
I'm going to play devil's advocate for you and offer an opinion for the "other side."

If you can bring an item with room to spare, then go for it! I can pack everything I need for my 12 days in Italy in one Aeronaut packing cube back pack and one packing cube shoulder bag. That only takes up about 50% of my available bag space (not including my 2nd pair of shoes. I do not want to have to spend time doing any laundry while in Italy. If I absolutely have to wear a clothing item and it's dirty, I can always send it out to be laundered. I have PLENTY of room to bring back shopping items. This will not be a back packing trip. I we are going luxury, so I want to spend as much time as possible exploring Italy, not hanging wet clothes.

Every trip is unique. If I were going for a longer time, or maybe during colder weather, my packing list may not allow for all the changes of clothes. But...my Tardis bag can hold it all for this trip (with room to spare to pack all my husband's clothes as well if I wanted to-which I don't-a girl needs retail therapy even when traveling), so I'm not going to stress getting my wardrobe down to 7-9 items. In fact, I am looking for a black/Iberian western flyer because I have so much space in my Aeronaut!

Note: I am saving lots of packing space by including (so far) 6 dresses from Patagonia (wrinkle resistant). I find that a cute jersey dress can be rolled, squeezed, and crammed into a bag, come out wrinkle-free and takes up less space than a top and bottom! I keep picking them up on sale on their website. I also use LUSH's Godiva shampoo/conditioner bar as well as a lotion bar; I'm not bringing any liquids in my bag. If I need anything, I'll pick it up in Italy as part of my retail therapy!

My caveat, though, is to definitely test pack. You want to make sure your bag isn't stuffed to bulging. I am going in summer, so my clothing items are smaller in size than if I were going in winter.

Badger
04-16-2014, 08:05 PM
If it all fits, great. But for many people, it's not possible to pack for a 12 day vacation in a carry on. And I can say from experience that if you're moving locations every few days as the OP seems to be, and then carrying your bag on public transport, having less to manage and a lighter bag is much less physically and mentally stressful. Case in point: would you rather run up and down five flights of stairs while running between train platforms carrying a ten-pound bag, or a 17-pound bag?

Also, I'm not sure how doing a little hand wash now and again somehow equates to being on a backpacking trip. Considering it takes three minutes to wash and wring out a pair of shorts, it's not really that laborious, and part of the reason for buying clothes in technical fabrics is because they wash and dry quickly.

Like I said: if you can fit in everything and can manage the bag, that's awesome. But I stand firmly by my belief that traveling light is not an exercise in deprivation, and, in fact, having less stuff to manage results in more freedom.


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scribe
04-16-2014, 10:20 PM
Case in point: would you rather run up and down five flights of stairs while running between train platforms carrying a ten-pound bag, or a 17-pound bag?

*lol* I don't think I'm going to be running up and down five flights of stairs with either :)

I take your point, though. I've resisted the temptation to buy an S25 in addition to my S19, because I really don't want my EDC to be any heavier than it absolutely has to be. If that means I have to get a bit more creative with my packing, that's fine.

Leena
04-17-2014, 03:33 AM
I'm going to play devil's advocate for you and offer an opinion for the "other side."

If you can bring an item with room to spare, then go for it! I can pack everything I need for my 12 days in Italy in one Aeronaut packing cube back pack and one packing cube shoulder bag. That only takes up about 50% of my available bag space (not including my 2nd pair of shoes. I do not want to have to spend time doing any laundry while in Italy. If I absolutely have to wear a clothing item and it's dirty, I can always send it out to be laundered. I have PLENTY of room to bring back shopping items. This will not be a back packing trip. I we are going luxury, so I want to spend as much time as possible exploring Italy, not hanging wet clothes.


I completely understand. I'm going for a mix of trying to play a 'game' of packing light and making sure what I have is functional. Case in point, in my test pack, I had 1 sweater, 1 lightweight cardigan and I'm taking a jacket. I realized the sweater, although light, would be too much for a late spring trip. I also know me and know that I don't wear tank tops too often and realized taking regular t-shirts would be better to wear under the lightweight cardigan I'm taking than tank tops.

I also would like to wear more dresses but 1) I have a booty problem that makes skirts or maxi dresses more practical although the dress I'm taking is longer in the back than the front and 2) I plan to do a lot of walking... a lot and I do better in sneakers than sandals or ballet slippers especially on cobblestone. I mean I know some people wear sneakers with dresses but I prefer to wear capris.

For this trip in general, I plan to be more laid back. I think there is a lot to see and I plan to hit the high points but I think we will participate in whatever the Italian equivalent of siesta is in that we plan to go back to our hotel, shower, clean up, probably wash some clothing items and then head out for dinner. If it doesn't work like that, then I don't think it'd be hard to do before bed.

So my list isn't sparse by any means but I think my clothing list is (this includes stuff I'll be wearing):

1 dress
1 pair of pants
3 pairs of capris
1 nicer shirt, 1 shirt that can be dressed up
1 yoga pant
4 t-shirts
1 tank top
1 lightweight cardigan wrap
6 pairs of underwear
3 bras
1 lightweight waterproof jacket
4 pairs of socks


(And a side note, are you going with a tour operator? I had looked at a few that touted themselves as luxury but I was a bit worried about the other people on such a trip and I really like public transportation so wanted a trip that included those. I'd love to hear your feedback when you get back)

bijoux
04-17-2014, 04:54 AM
Hi Leena

During Easter two years ago, I wore a scarf, jacket and boots most days whilst walking around in Rome. Perhaps include some warmer options in your list? Are you able to layer some wool tops/tanks/cardigans? (18 degrees C seemed cool to me coming from a subtropical climate)

Melissa
04-17-2014, 05:42 AM
We are going with a tour group, BUT it is through our local Chamber of Commerce. There are about 60 couples going (divided into 3 sub-groups), so we already know everyone we are going with, and we are actually VERY close friends with the 20 or so that are in our own sub group). Otherwise, I don't think I would have chosen to go with a tour group on our own.

Leena
04-17-2014, 06:22 AM
We are going with a tour group, BUT it is through our local Chamber of Commerce. There are about 60 couples going (divided into 3 sub-groups), so we already know everyone we are going with, and we are actually VERY close friends with the 20 or so that are in our own sub group). Otherwise, I don't think I would have chosen to go with a tour group on our own.
Ahh ok. The local Italian cultural society (I take classes there) has a similar type tour that sounds interesting.

Leena
04-17-2014, 06:23 AM
Hi Leena

During Easter two years ago, I wore a scarf, jacket and boots most days whilst walking around in Rome. Perhaps include some warmer options in your list? Are you able to layer some wool tops/tanks/cardigans? (18 degrees C seemed cool to me coming from a subtropical climate)

I can layer with what I have but I also figure I'll check the forecast. I grew up in a semi tropical environment although the east coast has hardened me a bit where I'm comfortable wearing a light jacket at 18c.

monkeylady
04-17-2014, 07:11 AM
Not understanding your itinerary, I am hoping that the majority if your wardrobe dries overnight if you have to launder yourself...

backpack
04-17-2014, 07:57 AM
People of Medium or smaller sizes can easily shop in Europe.

Women can even score cuter foundation garments than in the U.S.

One can take the most threadbare foundation garments and loose them along the way to replace them with lovely finds.

Scarves, crushable hats, knitted items and accessories are must buy there and they make great souvenirs taking care of the retail therapy, wardrobe upgrade and gifts in one swoop.

Trying on clothes is also a great way to find out the impact of all the gourmet fare on the waistline but usually Americans loose weight in Europe.

As in many healthy areas of the U.S, people walk, take public transportation and bike all the time, using the great cuisine to build muscles and good looks, kind of like The Crew!

Leena
04-17-2014, 08:03 AM
Not understanding your itinerary, I am hoping that the majority if your wardrobe dries overnight if you have to launder yourself...

We are staying in hotels from 2-4 nights so not a lot of moving around but we are making sure all our stuff dries quickly.

flaneuse
04-17-2014, 08:49 AM
Not much to add but your plan sounds good!! Lighter is def better. You can buy anything you need in just about every city you will visit, but I can totally understand not wanting to bother with trying to hunt things down when you have all the gorgeous sights and sounds (and food and wine!!) of Italy around you! Buon viaggio!!

jannilee
04-17-2014, 09:42 AM
Packing light is definitely a process. You are making a good start. I love taking only what i need and having room for shopping. I always buy bras at dedicated lingerie shops in Europe - beautiful and the salespeople actually know how to fit.

If you go to only one church in Rome, choose Santa Prassede near Santa Maria Majore. It was built in c7 and has spectacular mosaics. It is also small and quiet - a treat in busy Rome.

Gelateria Fassi on Principe Eugenio has delicious gelato with large servings. The sign is not obvious but the streams of people leaving there with their gelato are! We had nothing but gelato there for supper one evening and enjoyed watching the families and groups of friends come and go. Enjoy! I am envious.

TavaPeak
04-17-2014, 08:02 PM
Ditto on Santa Prassede! I was writing about those mosaics this week. I bought a 1/3" stack of postcards from the shop, and the man at the counter gave me a funny look. I nodded sweetly, then asked for the basilica guidebook, too.

Leena
04-18-2014, 02:17 AM
Thanks for the church tip. Rick Steves has some excellent videos online of his show in both Rome and Naples/Amalfi. He mentions both on those videos and in his books about going into various churches just to look.

reeder
05-02-2014, 10:48 PM
There was a fun department store (Upim?) across the street from Santa Maria Maggiore that had great scarves and fun clothes. Pack light, and shop there if you need to? I never got to the GABS Gabrieli store - wanted to see the bags that fold and morph. Guess that means another trip to Rome sometime.

Thank you for mentioning this company briefly. I'd never seen their bags before and I've been looking for a tote with shoulder strap similar to Longchamp Pilage or Planetes Silhouette but with a shoulder strap. The leather le cuir is just a bit too floppy for my taste and the Gabs C3 might be exactly what I'm looking for. I hope the shops are open after Ferriogosto in August because I'll be making a bee-line when I arrive in Italy. Useful and innovative things are one of my favorite kinds of souvenirs!

Collections Gabs - I Love Change (http://www.gabs.it/en/cpg/collections-woman/)

Until the trip, I'll be window shopping on their youTube channel :)
https://www.youtube.com/user/GABSFirenze

Leena
05-03-2014, 03:26 PM
I'm in Rome now. It is awesome so far. I will check out the department store. Those Gabs bags look interesting but I am guessing they only come in leather. I like bags and purses... A lot but the prevalence of leather means I probably won't buy one here. I have other trinkets though in mind.

TavaPeak
05-05-2014, 06:53 AM
I did not get to the Gabs store when I was in Rome, and I really really regret it. The bags come in leather, cloth, nylon. It's hard to find Gabs in the US, except on Yoox or ebay. Their bags convert into all sorts of interesting and useful shapes (and they pack flat). If you get to the store - please check in! I have a nylon medium G3. great bag. It's almost as useful as the Side Effect. ;-)

beefybeef
05-05-2014, 10:29 AM
LOL you hubby is going to look like Walter White getting on the plane, i.e.: no pants, just underwear, sock and sneakers, sorry just haven fun. have a great trip cheers

klb
05-15-2014, 08:04 AM
I loved this thread because I am visiting Italy in Sept for two weeks. Can you tell me how your trip went with your packing list? Did you feel like to forgot anything or took too much? Also, what were your favorite sites in the cities that you visited?? Details please!!!

klb
05-20-2014, 06:56 AM
Hi Leena! I am going to Italy in Sept. I would like to know how your trip went. Did you use everything that you packed?? I am going to try to use my Aeronaut for that trip (2 weeks) but want to know how it went for you!
Also, what were your favorite sites in Italy??