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  • jpong
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    Originally posted by Darcy View Post
    Tom did have to make the Zephyr slightly larger than originally intended so that it would fit the Size 4X Brain Cell (and thus the MacBook Pro 15.4") but it's not that much of a difference.
    That's good to hear. At first I was a little disappointed because it sounded like the Zephyr might not fit my MacBook Pro. Now I guess I should really decide if I want to get the Zephyr instead. I got my Ego a couple days ago, and I really like it, but I still have my original reservations, so it's just sitting there in my room for now. Oh, the decisions.

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  • Darcy
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    Originally posted by bcfshops View Post
    I meant nothing ill toward the ID. In fact, returning it was a tough decision as I knew I would have to wait several months until the Zephyr was available. It's build quality matched, no, bettered the descriptions I read on the site and in many reviews. It just wasn't the bag for my commuting style. I look forward to the Zephyr's release, and am just as happy that I've found “the” source for quality bags.
    I know you didn't mean anything ill towards the ID. What you described as your experience with the ID is probably the same experience most people who want to carry a bag by its handle a lot of the time would have.

    The ID and the EB/Zephyr are just different types of bags.

    I'm glad you're looking forward to the Zephyr, and I will direct our factory crew to this thread to read your compliments on our quality of construction and materials.

    More pictures of the Zephyr soon...I promise!!

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  • swduncan
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    I guess it will be an ID for me, as I try to never, ever carry a bag by a handle. It's just uncomfortable. I also want a flap covering the main zip because I do get caught walking in the rain (like today, in Boston) even when I don't mean to. I find that bags that have top zips usually leak like a sieve through the zip, and that means wet stuff.

    I'm still wondering what it is that makes a bag a briefcase vs a messenger bag, unless it's just the flap.

    Steve

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  • bcfshops
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    No 'dis of the ID

    Originally posted by Darcy View Post
    I can see that happening. The handle on the ID is a compromise: people who want a mid-size messenger bag definitely want an exterior handle, but they don't want it to be so big or cushy that it gets in the way. The ID handle is designed to be comfortable for quick grabs and short distance walks, but if you like to carry a bag by its handles a lot of the time, the Empire Builder or the Zephyr are definitely better bags for you than the ID.

    Now that we have the Zephyr AND the Empire Builder, what kind of briefcase should come next? A really big Empire Builder? Or a different briefcase altogether?
    I meant nothing ill toward the ID. In fact, returning it was a tough decision as I knew I would have to wait several months until the Zephyr was available. It's build quality matched, no, bettered the descriptions I read on the site and in many reviews. It just wasn't the bag for my commuting style. I look forward to the Zephyr's release, and am just as happy that I've found “the” source for quality bags.

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  • Darcy
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    Originally posted by bcfshops View Post
    I found that carrying the ID by the handle, when fully loaded, the offset handle (a consequence of the flap design) caused the bag to tilt and rub against my leg as I walked.
    I can see that happening. The handle on the ID is a compromise: people who want a mid-size messenger bag definitely want an exterior handle, but they don't want it to be so big or cushy that it gets in the way. The ID handle is designed to be comfortable for quick grabs and short distance walks, but if you like to carry a bag by its handles a lot of the time, the Empire Builder or the Zephyr are definitely better bags for you than the ID.

    Now that we have the Zephyr AND the Empire Builder, what kind of briefcase should come next? A really big Empire Builder? Or a different briefcase altogether?

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  • Darcy
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    Originally posted by mruseless View Post
    Darcy, what is the volume in cu. in. of the bag? I'm just wondering how it compares to the EB. In that picture the Zephyr doesn't look much smaller!
    We should have dimensions, weight, and a volume sometime next week.

    Tom did have to make the Zephyr slightly larger than originally intended so that it would fit the Size 4X Brain Cell (and thus the MacBook Pro 15.4") but it's not that much of a difference.

    I'm about 5'5" tall, and I found the Empire Builder to big - it looked huge on me. The Zephyr is a perfect size for someone my height, but it also looks fine on someone Tom's height - 6'0".

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  • Alicia
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    Originally posted by jpong View Post
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    Personally, I am seriously wondering whether I should have waited and gotten the Zephyr. The more I think about it, the more I think it would be perfect for me, but....... argh... must... resist the urge.... can't spend $500 in one week on bags alone...
    You could always return your ID if you don't like it and get a zephyr instead. Just don't use your ID first.

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  • mruseless
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    Darcy, what is the volume in cu. in. of the bag? I'm just wondering how it compares to the EB. In that picture the Zephyr doesn't look much smaller!
    Last edited by mruseless; 04-16-2007, 10:58 AM.

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  • bcfshops
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    Originally posted by swduncan View Post
    The title kinda says it all - how will the Zephyr compare to the Id? Why should one choose one over the other?

    Steve
    I'll add another difference, that was important to me. I had an ID bag, and loved the quality, but returned it and decided to wait for the Zephyr for the following reason. I found that carrying the ID by the handle, when fully loaded, the offset handle (a consequence of the flap design) caused the bag to tilt and rub against my leg as I walked. I loved the bag, and the size was better for me than the Empire Builder, but as I carry my bags almost exclusively by the handle, the leg rub was "the rub".

    All that said, I am eagerly awaiting the official release of the Zephyr. If you've seen a Tom Bihn in person, you'll understand.

    -Brandon

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  • jpong
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    Originally posted by swduncan View Post
    The title kinda says it all - how will the Zephyr compare to the Id? Why should one choose one over the other?

    Steve
    I'm completely new to Tom Bihn bags and am still waiting for my first to arrive, so this is purely my own opinion from reading about the two bags and seeing some pictures online.

    That said, I suppose a big difference between the two at first glance would be that the ID is more of a messenger-style bag with a flap covering the main compartment while the main compartment on the Zephyr will be accesible without opening the flap. This means that the Zephyr has a "two-piece" handle, which some people seem to prefer because it feels more comfortable to them, and it also makes it easy to carry around a light piece of clothing, like a jacket, between the handles without having to open up the bag to put it away.

    The other thing that strikes me as different between the two are the plastic dividers for the EB. This gives me the impression that the EB is more of a structured bag that is better suited for organizing papers and what not.

    Other than that, I think the ID might have an extra pouch on the side under the flap - the Zephyr an extra zippered compartment on the flap. Oh, and the Empire Builder's back slot can be opened for stacking on roll-aboard luggage.

    I probably haven't answered why one would choose one of the bags over the other, but I think that's mainly because they both look like great bags, so the decision may mainly be one of personal preference. They do seem similar enough that regardless of which you choose, either should be able to fill the shoes of the other - if that makes sense.

    Anyway, I'll say again that I have never used either the ID or the Empire Builder, so this is all just observation and speculation. I'm sure there are plenty of others who can speak from experience about these bags. Personally, I am seriously wondering whether I should have waited and gotten the Zephyr. The more I think about it, the more I think it would be perfect for me, but....... argh... must... resist the urge.... can't spend $500 in one week on bags alone...
    Last edited by jpong; 04-15-2007, 11:06 AM.

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  • swduncan
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    Briefcase vs messenger bag, or Zephyr vs. Id

    The title kinda says it all - how will the Zephyr compare to the Id? Why should one choose one over the other?

    Steve

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  • Darcy
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    Originally posted by mruseless View Post
    Any idea of what the price will be?
    Not that much less than the Empire Builder. It takes almost the same amount of effort, time, and materials to make the Zephyr as it does to make the Empire Builder.

    The Zephyr should be available for order sometime next week.

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  • mruseless
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    The size looks perfect for my daily work, and I already have an Empire Builder for those trips where I need a laptop.

    Any idea of what the price will be?

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  • Just
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    Originally posted by mrae View Post
    Beautiful bag. Can it be used with a strap or does it only have handles?
    Looks like same layout as the Empire Builder = the little circle in the upper right corner of the bag, seen laying on the flap is one of the attachment points of the strap, and the other is on the other side of the bag.

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  • mrae
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    Beautiful bag. Can it be used with a strap or does it only have handles?

    When can we find out color options and order?

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