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  • suden
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    Originally posted by Darcy View Post
    Yes! The Ego will come with removable Annex clips that will secure the following sizes of Brain Cell: 3S, 4, 4X (for your 15" MBP), 5, and 6.
    Yay! Great to know...any hope of a preview pic anytime soon?

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  • Darcy
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    Originally posted by suden View Post
    I've got a new MacBook Pro on order (upgrading from a MacBook) and I was wondering/hoping if this new Ego bag will accommodate the brain cell for the 15" MBP? It looks like it should fit...would it have the clips to secure the brain cell?
    Yes! The Ego will come with removable Annex clips that will secure the following sizes of Brain Cell: 3S, 4, 4X (for your 15" MBP), 5, and 6.

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  • suden
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    Also: Tom has completed the design of the Ego, the smaller version of the Super Ego. Our factory has started production on the Ego, and it will be shipping in late March.

    Specs on the Ego are:
    23 liters / 1400 cu.in.
    390mm x 340mm x 160mm
    15.3 x 13.3 x 6.3"
    Weight: 1.2 kg / 2 lbs 10oz

    The Ego will have the same 1 1/2" toothed slide that the ID has, allowing you to choose between the Standard Shoulder Strap, the Absolute Shoulder Strap, and the up-and-coming Q-AM (Quick-Adjust Messenger) strap.[/QUOTE]

    I've got a new MacBook Pro on order (upgrading from a MacBook) and I was wondering/hoping if this new Ego bag will accommodate the brain cell for the 15" MBP? It looks like it should fit...would it have the clips to secure the brain cell?
    Last edited by suden; 01-12-2007, 10:04 AM.

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  • grumpy3b
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    Hi Ya,

    Quick question: RA=Rheumatoid arthritis? And maybe Darcy can tell us about the Super Ego strap? (I think it's still the old style one, and you might be better off with an Absolute Strap or maybe the new strap option Tom is developing for messenger bags. But I think only the ID bag has been redesigned so far to enable use of the Absolute Strap, and the Super Ego still uses the older strap)
    Yuo...sorry for the abreviation, habbit. Thanks for the observations about the strap. That really is my primary consideration. Worn over my shoulder opposite the bag should distribute the weight well enough that weight is not an issue.

    Typically I will carry a minimum of 15# to a max of maybe 25lbs if I need a couple references with me. I am a big strong guy so weight is not as much an issue un a short walk. Longer walks over say about a mile would demand no more then 15#.

    For me the biggest issue is my hands and conserving them as much as possible each day. My knees will be painful no matter what as will my feet. Just walking will see to that...I can manage the pain there as long as I keep on top with the pain meds. I just must get the extercise while I am young enough. The only thing that is bad is the hands. If they are painful I am worthless for work. Soooo, the reason I love the idea of a messenger style bag. Since that will pretty much remove the hands from the equation I only need to watch the shoulders which are joining into the plot against me but are no where near as much an issue.

    Darcy:

    You are clairvoiant...I carry a 17" laptop. But it only weighs in at just under 10# with extra battery so it's not heavy for me to carry. This is why I ended up at the Super Ego bag. It just works. I have promised not to fill it as I might have my pack and to keep weights under 25lbs. Heck a couple times in my younger days I would carry an 80-100lb pack in the Eastern Sierra's for 40-60 mi. at 10k ft...boy those were the days...hehehehe...and I still had RA then just not fully active as it is now...born with it...)

    Like I said I am a big framed guy and that is really not much weight to carry around short distances. For those days where I am just grabbing the laptop and setting off for a couple hours at Starbucks or the park (our town has it's own WIfi service that works OK most days) but then I just wouldlike to grab the HBC and go...max weight about 12lbs I suspect.

    So that brings me back to the whole strap thing...PADDING & the ability to adjust it for load balancing are the keys for me...but I can make anything work if it is close.

    Thanks for all the considerate and thoughful responses...it looked as if there are great people here and I was right!

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  • Just
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    Originally posted by Darcy View Post
    Also: Tom has completed the design of the Ego, the smaller version of the Super Ego. Our factory has started production on the Ego, and it will be shipping in late March.
    Hurrah!!!!

    Pictures! Pre-order! Buahahaha...

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  • Darcy
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    Originally posted by grumpy3b View Post
    I happen to have RA and can no longer wear a backpack style bag nor carry items in my hands for long periods. So, I have decided to try a messenger style bag. Specifically I will be getting a Super Ego as well as a Horizontal Brain Cell.
    What kind of laptop do you have? And how much do you need to carry?

    Cobos is right: the Super Ego is a really big bag, and it weights 2lbs, 10oz by itself with nothing in it. Unless you need to carry a huge 17" PC laptop, I'd recommend a smaller bag.

    Have you considered the ID messenger bag?

    Also: Tom has completed the design of the Ego, the smaller version of the Super Ego. Our factory has started production on the Ego, and it will be shipping in late March.

    Specs on the Ego are:
    23 liters / 1400 cu.in.
    390mm x 340mm x 160mm
    15.3 x 13.3 x 6.3"
    Weight: 1.2 kg / 2 lbs 10oz

    The Ego will have the same 1 1/2" toothed slide that the ID has, allowing you to choose between the Standard Shoulder Strap, the Absolute Shoulder Strap, and the up-and-coming Q-AM (Quick-Adjust Messenger) strap.

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  • Cobos
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    Not to mention the fact that the Super Ego is way too big IMHO opinion for someone that needs to only carry about 10lbs. The Super Ego itself will eat up almost 3 of those pounds empty. Not to mention the fact that a big bag has a very bad tendency to lead to a heavy bag. Why not try one Tom Bihn smaller offerings ? The redesigned ID sounds just your ticket with the absolute strap ?

    Cobos

    Edit: Woohoo 100 posts

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  • moriond
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    Strap options for Super Ego

    Originally posted by grumpy3b View Post
    I happen to have RA and can no longer wear a backpack style bag nor carry items in my hands for long periods.
    Quick question: RA=Rheumatoid arthritis? And maybe Darcy can tell us about the Super Ego strap? (I think it's still the old style one, and you might be better off with an Absolute Strap or maybe the new strap option Tom is developing for messenger bags. But I think only the ID bag has been redesigned so far to enable use of the Absolute Strap, and the Super Ego still uses the older strap)

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  • grumpy3b
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    A perfect topic for my first forum post. I am in a quandry about this issue right now. I happen to have RA and can no longer wear a backpack style bag nor carry items in my hands for long periods. So, I have decided to try a messenger style bag. Specifically I will be getting a Super Ego as well as a Horizontal Brain Cell.

    I have been thinking that a shoulder strap with a wider sort of saddle shaped pad that that allows the weight to be more evenly distributed across the length of my shoulder will work great. I suspect the balance point for the pad/strap combo would be a challenge but I bet you guys could "make is work"... Not sure if my description fits what is in my head though...but thing of how a saddle fits on a horse and thing of your shoulder as the back of the horse. It might work with two attachment points for the strap or maybe just a strap that fans out to meet the pad width. ???

    Padding is important and maybe a gel type pad would work and last a bit longer then a foam pad? Plus the covering needs to be SOFT to pretect against those icky strap marks form carrying too much weight.

    Not sure if this is the sort of detail you were asking about but right now I cannot find (anywhere) a strap that will work the way I need. So currently the only solution is anything with a BFP (basically a BIG PAD) and not too much weight. I try to keep it under 10lbs.

    The RA makes getting any sort of physical activity problematic so I am sort of tuned into decreasing the strain on my hands, shoulders, knees and feet...did I leave any body parts out? Thank the gawds for Vitamin-V...

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  • timarelay
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    Originally posted by Just View Post
    Hmm. The reason I asked was because you mentioned strap tangling (which I thought would have happened a lot easier with it on one shoulder - I don't know how it would tangle while across the chest?)
    The strap tangles while it's off me, and then I have to untangle it to put it back on or it feels weird. I know of at least one other cafe bag owner with this problem. Not sure what causes it.


    I generally use the Imago day-to-day for the above mentioned stuff. While I could fit it into the Buzz, I generally prefer not to since a full Buzz is not a happy Buzz. If I'm doing just one textbook and just the 2 notebooks and nix a few accessories, the Buzz is fine. So heavier loads automatically go to the Imago just out of aesthetics and form factor. Slung over the chest, the weight is generally not a big deal with the Imago but if it would be one (say I add another textbook or something) I'd go to the Smart Alec - backpack it.

    Hope this helped
    That did help, thank you. I wouldn't have guessed one would choose the Imago over the Buzz for heavier loads. I'll continue with my plan to buy the Imago, then!

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  • backpack
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    Being a girl, I have always carried purses.

    In high school, my book load was very heavy and I was carrying a big leather briefcase plus a shoulder strap purse the size of the The Imago.

    It didn't feel comfortable especially since the school was at the end a very steep grade.

    In college, I lived on campus and experimented with various briefcases including one with a hard shell, one small leather one until I found a backpack.

    The backpack was cute and not badly made since I still have it but...

    It didn't have much capacity and was not very comfortable after a day trek in the city to do errands etc...

    Since I got married and "stole" much of my hubby's laptop bags and luggage pieces and bought myself some pieces of luggages that turned out disapointing either ultra heavy (a Tumi garment bag), or impossible to carry and unload comfortably (Timberland shoulder luggage bag).

    The Tumi always ended up checked and the Timberland was dragged on the airport floor.


    Come the Brain Bag. At first I thought that the straps were too wide but when the bag is loaded it's a dream to carry.

    The dreaded shelp between the counter (to check hubby's no name bag) and the departing gate via the dreaded security lines was very pleasant.

    I packed the Brain Bag with the same kind of things I used to pack the Timberland bag with, plus 3 blouses. The Brain Bag still had room in the front to wip out the 3 oz ziplock as fast as possible.

    I carried the Brain Bag all the way with no shoulder pain and with ease.
    A definite A+ Bag.

    On another trip, Hubby carried it when it was loaded with two laptops, a external hard drive, the hardware various cable and many disk cases.
    I knew that other bags would have been excruciating to carry or the straps would not have survived the combined pressure of the weight and bouncing of the load.

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  • Zephyrnoid
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    Preventing Shoulder Woes: What's Your Solution?
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    It's a great question for us and it caught the attention of the ergonomist and anthropomorphist in me.
    1) I alternate and vary the manner by which I carry luggage - so as to share the burden with as many muscle groups in my body as possible- this reduces fatigue.
    -When walking with a load I'll carry the bag on one side of my body (I'm Left Side dominant) - always with the strap running across my body - the burden being borne by the opposite shoulder to the carry side. *Note- I know this doesn't always LOOK so cool.
    - To give the carry shoulder a break, I'll shift the strap to the opposite side of my body.
    The benefits of this is that one shoulder doesn't get too tired when the other is resting idly. It also 'trains' you to be a bilateral carrier- which helps your posture, stature and balance.
    - For short and quick transports, I'll mount the strap on a shoulder that is on the same side of my body as the bag. This is how most people carry most types of luggage up to the size of an Aeronaut. It's not the most recommended from an ergonomic standpoint, but it's efficient and effective for SHORT distances with moderate loads when time is of the essence.
    - Whenever feasable and if the bag design allows it, I'll use a hand strap to give my shoulders a rest and my lower arms a workout. Again, I'll alternate beween left and right sides.
    * So far, I count these as six carry variations for a bag like a Super Ego or ID Bag.
    - If the load is really heavy and the distance of travel substantial, then a seventh- backpack carry mode is recommended. The Aeronaut is the shining star in this category. So the Aeronaut has seven realistic carry modes (Unless you count dragging- then it would have 9!!!)
    2) I always put my luggage down when I'm not moving for longer than 1 minute. I marvel at how some of us can stand in line at an airport or other slow moving line of people and shoulder carry 25Lbs + of load.
    3) If I must dash with a bag- I'll prefer to hand carry it or shoulder and hand carry it. Keeping the center of gravity low when bouncing up and down reduces upper body fatigue and mitigates a loss of balance.
    4) The Tom Bihn Absolute shoulder strap is the technological answer to fatigue mitigation. It absorbs a lot of pressure every step I take with my ID bag loaded with gear- especially on long fast walks through airports or cities. I've replaced lesser straps on other luggage that I own with the Absolute and the benefits have added value to my non-Tom Bihn luggage- such as my Blackhawk Garment Bag and Blackhawk Training Bag.
    Adding it all up -you should not feel much fatigue if you alternate the load around your body, avoid carrying when you don't need to -and 'run don't walk' for the Absolute Shoulder Strap!
    Last edited by Zephyrnoid; 12-21-2006, 08:50 AM.

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  • Just
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    Originally posted by timarelay View Post
    Generally across my chest. I only wear it on one side for very brief moments when there's next to nothing in it.
    Hmm. The reason I asked was because you mentioned strap tangling (which I thought would have happened a lot easier with it on one shoulder - I don't know how it would tangle while across the chest?) And also the shoulder pain seemed like it would have happened more if it was a one-side carry, but it would have happened regardless if that shoulder or shoulders weren't used to carrying weight.

    I suppose it is a bit weird to be looking at laptop bags when that's not my primary cargo, but laptop bags just tend to be really well made and good homes for my stuff.
    I def. hear you on that!

    Well, you own the Imago and the Buzz. Under what circumstances do you use them? Which handles weight better?
    Ok first off my laptop does not fit either the Imago or the Buzz. (Well, I suppose technically it does, but it would look really really funny and it would be very unprotected =P ) So I generally use the bags for school stuff. A paperback textbook or two (3/4" to 1" thick each) 2-4 very thin notebooks (1/8" thick each), water bottle (strangely, this is a heavy glass one), sunglass case, wallet (sometimes), pocket folding knife, mini flashlight, digital camera, cell phone, pens and pencils, business cards, iPod nano, Miquelrius notebook, small MSR face towel. These would all fit into both bags, but if I'm doing both textbooks and all notebooks (which I'm not used to since I avoid when possible) it will strain, no matter which bag it's in.

    I generally use the Imago day-to-day for the above mentioned stuff. While I could fit it into the Buzz, I generally prefer not to since a full Buzz is not a happy Buzz. If I'm doing just one textbook and just the 2 notebooks and nix a few accessories, the Buzz is fine. So heavier loads automatically go to the Imago just out of aesthetics and form factor. Slung over the chest, the weight is generally not a big deal with the Imago but if it would be one (say I add another textbook or something) I'd go to the Smart Alec - backpack it.

    Hope this helped

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  • timarelay
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    Originally posted by Just View Post
    It could be both. The backpack you are using might not be compatible to your body shape, or even good at holding weight in general. But it could also be that your body is simply not used to carrying much weight at all, and that would take time to overcome.
    I think it's probably a combination of all of the above. I haven't used a backpack in years, and even when I did use one I didn't carry it around for more than a few minutes at a time.

    Are you using the bag across your chest, or on one side of your body only?
    Generally across my chest. I only wear it on one side for very brief moments when there's next to nothing in it.

    I tend to think of the Buzz as a messenger that rides a little higher on my back anyway Will your laptop fit the Buzz?
    Yup, it would. Though I don't carry my laptop with me often, so that's not really much of a concern. I suppose it is a bit weird to be looking at laptop bags when that's not my primary cargo, but laptop bags just tend to be really well made and good homes for my stuff.

    Well, you own the Imago and the Buzz. Under what circumstances do you use them? Which handles weight better?

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  • Just
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    Originally posted by timarelay View Post
    I'm short and skinny and it doesn't take much to put strain on me so I don't know if it's a problem with my bags or if I'm just incapable of carrying weight without consequences.
    It could be both. The backpack you are using might not be compatible to your body shape, or even good at holding weight in general. But it could also be that your body is simply not used to carrying much weight at all, and that would take time to overcome.

    The large cafe bag is generally very good because I don't carry around much when I'm using it, but the strap tangles like crazy. If I'm taking it to the mall, after about an hour or two my shoulder will begin to ache a little and I'll have to start switching it around.
    Are you using the bag across your chest, or on one side of your body only?

    I think I need a slightly bigger bag with a better strap, so I'll be switching to the Imago soon (I hope.) I've also started eying the Buzz because it's apparently the same capacity as the Imago and might be better for my back, but I'm pretty attached to the messenger bag format as my daily bag.
    I tend to think of the Buzz as a messenger that rides a little higher on my back anyway Will your laptop fit the Buzz?

    In terms of my backpack... I've been on a neverending and unsuccessful quest for one that I can comfortably use.
    Good luck on that!

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