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  • moriond
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    Just thought I should add a note to this much-referenced thread to link to Darcy's post in late January 2016 stating:
    Originally posted by Darcy View Post
    Mid-2015, we switched the shoulder straps on the Synapse 19 back to the "old" version. This was a tough call for us -- some people definitely preferred the new strap placement while others didn't. Ultimately, it seemed the majority preferred the old strap placement, so we went with that.
    So, the bottom line is that the backpack strap spacing being used with the Synapse 19 is no longer the "wide" version that prompted @bchaplin to start this thread, and that was adopted for all versions of the Synapse 19 manufactured after May 2013 up until they changed it back in mid-2015. As of mid-2015, they've gone back to the "old" narrower spacing. Technically speaking, this is not quite as narrow as the strap spacing that was used on the original Synapses, but close to the slightly wider spacing they used for the first 400d Dyneema Synapses in Nordic/Steel that both @bchaplin and I find very comfortable (even more so than the original Synapse strap spacing).

    If you read my followup post (#21) to Darcy's comments, you'll see that the first (and only independently documentable) sign we had of a change in strap spacing on the Synapse 19 was @ceepee's September 2015 post, where she showed comparison pictures of the backpack strap spacing on her late 2012/early 2013 Nordic/Steel Synapse (19) with a Black (Original Halcyon=400d Dyneema) Synapse 19 she received in September 2015, and stated that this was noticeably closer than the strap spacing on her Synapse 25.

    We also had posts dating just a few days before Darcy's January 24, 2016 quoted posts, from people with smaller builds who stated that they were surprised how comfortable the S19 turned out to be, given concerns over the wide strap spacing.

    If you have a Synapse 19 purchased mid-2015, before September, sorry, but you've got to know when it was made, or measure the backpack strap spacing to know which version you have. If you have a Parapack Synapse 19 (only made in Black, Navy, Olive, and Steel), it has to have the wider strap spacing, because they didn't start using Parapack for the Synapse until Fall 2013 (after the switch to the wider strap spacing), and they stopped offering Parapack Synapses before any further adjustments in strap spacing were made. Also, anyone who has a Nordic/Solar Synapse 19 has the wider strap spacing, since Nordic was nearly discontinued around the time the strap changes were made in Spring 2013 (due to low early demand when it was introduced), and the Nordic/Solar Synapse was only offered in Spring 2014 when the demand for Nordic took off in a big way.

    Some other relevant posts:
    • My March 17, 2016 post (#19) in @Mia's Synapse 19 vs Smart Alec thread that details @flips712's comments about the S19. The thread also contains pictures of the S19, Smart Alec, and Guide's Pack worn by @tcook (5'3").
    • My February 16, 2015 post (#5) in @bintobeen's Synapse 25 vs 19 pics for a shorter person? thread. This thread shows a picture of the Synapse 19 and Synapse 25 being worn by two people of roughly comparable height (not short) and distance from the camera to give an impression of the relative size of the packs when worn on the back. (Note that @bchaplin's excellent blog comparison of Smart Alec and Synapse no longer seems to be a working link as of last month, although it did work at the time of that post).
    • My April 6, 2016 post comparing the Synapse 19 and Synapse 25 in @BarryLee's Synapse 19 to Replace a Synapse 25? thread. This mostly discussed which pockets differed in size, but also reference the strap spacing difference.


    HTH


    moriond

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  • Chill
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    Originally posted by Orangeboys View Post
    Order both and return the one you don't prefer. (Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, cackle, cackle, LOLOL.) That always works well!
    *muffled laughs at the corner*

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  • Orangeboys
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    Originally posted by Chill View Post
    You know guys... just this and I'm seriously thinking if I should skip S19 and go for S25 instead .....
    Order both and return the one you don't prefer. (Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, cackle, cackle, LOLOL.) That always works well!

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  • A.D.D.i.c.t.
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    I originally was solely interested in the S25. I had purchased an S19 used in black /wasabi, and sold it immediately it felt so small. But when I had the chance to pick up an S19 in epic Indigo /solar, I went for it. And I'm very happy. It is perfect for me as a daily bag. I am still interested in the S25 however, because there are times where I would appreciate the extra space. I'm very much in love with my S19 as an EDC after picking it up in this color.

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  • Chill
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    You know guys... just this and I'm seriously thinking if I should skip S19 and go for S25 instead .....

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  • Johnykwst
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    Just wanted to chime in to provide some feedback. I received a Synapse 25 and Synapse 19 about a month ago because I could not decide on size. Im glad I tried both because the 25 is much more comfortable on me than the 19. The 19 felt like it wanted to slide off of my shoulders, whereas the 25 straps feel like they fit perfectly. I'm 5'6" male with medium build.

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  • feijai
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    Given that Tom Bihn specializes in customizable bags, this seems like an easy opportunity for them to play to their strengths: make straps which can be replaced or moved horizontally at the top. This would also allow for different strap options, including more padded straps. I envision multiple cache-loop like loops at the top at different positions, any one of which can be fastened to a shoulder strap via something like a 1.5" gatekeeper. (This isn't strong enough of course, and will rust -- we'd really need something more like a carabiner).

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  • unionsquare
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    The S19 was my first purchase from TB, and I was soooo excited to receive it yesterday and then immediately soooo disappointed by this strap issue! I am a 5'10" woman and I definitely feel that the straps want to slip off my shoulders. Using the chest strap helps, but it's like wearing pants that are 2 sizes too big and keeping them up with a belt -- it works, but it's not something you'd do on purpose. Compared to my old backpack (a North Face Borealis) the difference is incredible. When I thought about it though, I realized that my old backpack probably fits much better because North Face makes every backpack in a women's and a men's version. It seems like having two editions of the Synapse would be a reasonable choice for TB given the number of people who are having problems. Even if the "women's" or "narrow" Synapse only came in one or two colors, it would make such a huge difference.

    I saw in another forum that changes are being made to the Synapse right now. Any chance this major issue is being addressed?

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  • d.weglarz
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    Seems a real shame that the new strap placement is causing some to return their great TB bags........hope mine fits me well when i get it though.
    Just based on how many people seeming so disappointed about the new placement, should be an option for the old version straps IMO.

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  • RobNC
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    Like Carl0, I also returned a S25 due to the overall straps/fit. In my opinion, it's not really the thickness of the straps, but the placement/cut that do not fit me well. I have had many other bags with thin straps in my years of backpacking, and I often find that the soft "padded" straps tend to cause me more problems than a well-designed thin, durable strap. It might not be the materials of the straps causing you problems, but perhaps it's the overall fit.

    My A45 came today, and it has fairly thin straps as well, but it felt great on my back fully loaded.

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  • Rocks
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    I've had my Synapse 19 for two years now and have used it almost daily. Just last night I marveled (inwardly) at how comfortable the straps are, how they sit on my shoulders and stay there and distribute the load so well (I did a really good packing job last night). When I first got it, I found the straps to be stiff, and the material chafed when I wore sleeveless shirts. I'm not saying it takes two years to break them in! They've held up really well though and the when I wear it, the bag feels like a part of me. I do love it ...

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  • NWhikergal
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    My S19 straps have seemed to mold and soften a bit over time, and I have not had discomfort with them. Of course, I have the wider S19 straps that seem a bit more widely spaced than I need. If your issue is that the straps seem to be rubbing on your neck or they seemed to narrow, then I cannot address that...unless you have a pack with the narrow strap placement with which you would like to part. For any load that I can fit in my pack though, the padding has been sufficient.

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  • carl0
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    I don't have that problem with the S19, as you can by design carry less, and I just don't even feel the straps really. Very nice from day one.

    But I returned an S25 for that reason, not that they were stiff, but seemed to thin, not comfortable on me given the load (14-15 lbs). Others find it super comfortable....

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  • meekasmom
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    Backpack straps: s19 and s25:stiff and hurt: do they soften? why are so thin?

    the straps on both s25 and s19 are stiff when new. do they soften?

    also, they seem thinner and harder than other packs I have used.

    I would appreciate others' input on them after a time of using in the field.

    thanks

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  • tanderson9
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    Originally posted by d.weglarz View Post
    Wow, awesome advice. Yes, I was thinking the same thing, both in the same color...just for that reason lol.
    Now, just gotta decide which color is best for me
    I am really loving a few of the colors.....Olive or the Steel Dyneema. (well, the burnt orange looks awesome too)

    Great to know the return policy is straight forward, thanks for everything guys...
    The struggle is real lol.

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