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  • scribe
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    Unrelated to your post - I tried to reply to your PM but your inbox has reached its quota. You need to delete some messages if you want people to reply to your PMs.

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  • weirdguy
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    @adalangdon, thanks for pointing out. There seems to be quite a few variety version of SA out there. I'm also confuse about the Annex Clip loop and Rail loop.



    As for the moment and also near future, I have no intention to use a Cache or the Rail or to be TSA Compliance. In any case I should, I will try to fix up @tpnl's alternative method as I personally prefer Brain Cell than Cache.

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  • tpnl
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    I would not worry if the SA you are looking at (or any bag) has Rail Loops or not. They are easy to sew on yourself (or by a tailor) as they are just 2 1" wide strips of webbing folded back on itself and sewn into the thick seam join 4" apart centre to centre (4" for the vertical rail system - 7" apart for the horizontal version). It did this for my 2004 BB and 2011 SA - See this link where I show it added (I used the rail loops with my Brain Cell - which I also added the rails needed for it to work):

    http://forums.tombihn.com/thoughts-t...html#post60277

    Also concerning the Mesh back vs Cordura back. I find that there is not too much different if it is very hot - mainly because it is a wide area that is on your back. The S25 has a much smaller footprint on your back because it's design inherently provides less contact with your back (e.g. parapack bottom section of the back s tapered away from your back, side if the back taper away from your back). Of all the mesh backs, I prefer the BB which also has small air channels in the mesh.

    All versions have a 1000d Ballistic Nylon centre strip and sides made of 1000d Cordura except for the all 400d Dyneema version that came out for the latest version.
    Common structural items include excellent laptop protecting foam padding on the back and bottom (unlike the BB and S19/S25), the open pocket at the bottom front of the back and annex clips for the Brain Cell. Of course, the 2 side pockets and top opening lid are common in all versions.


    For me, I see 3 distinct versions of the SA:

    1) The original "Jet pack" clean version (started production ~2005 - @moriond, can you confirm?)- main differences were it had open pockets on the top flap and no exterior loops for UMP or LMP or bungie cord - hence the clean look. The waist strap and chest straps were not removable and the interior was 500d Cordura.

    2) The "Bungie jet pack" version (started production ~2008 - @moriond, can you confirm?) - this version had the zippered top flap pockets, loops and bungie cord on the bottom half and the drain hole for the water bottle side pocket. The loops are compatible with the newer LMP but you cannot put on a guardian light at the bottom like the latest version. Later version of this model got removable waist and chest straps and hydration clip. The probably was also some design tweaking of the top opening as well. I believe that this is also when they started using the 200d Dyneema interior.

    3) The "Hot rod jet pack" version (started production ~2012) - this version has the breathable mesh back, ballistic nylon bottom, loops for the UMP and design tweak of the top opening. The loops for the LMP are slightly different and the bottom loop can accommodate a guardian light. Also, a second water bottle drain hole was added to the pocket on the other side so that one could use the added glowwire option (really cool on that video of the TB crew riding their motorcycle with SA glowire setup at night). The 200d dyneema interior, zippered flap pockets and removable straps of the earlier version were continued. Later versions got the rail loops and the all 400d Dyneema version came out as well.

    I cannot speak to O-rings - perhaps someone can determine that. I also cannot speak to the side pocket interior changes or all the different color options.

    Please add if I have missed something or correct me if I wrote something incorrect.

    IMHO, I like my Bungie jet pack. It straddles the line between the simple clean design of the original and the more "functional add-in" laden current version. I can use the LMP of the latest version and I have the option to put oversized item on the exterior (or carry a small Christmas Tree like Tom Bihn did in one of the pictures). But, in the end, I do agree that the UMP is very useful. If you want to use it that way, go for the latest version. Note that the LMP can be hooked inside the back and perhaps the UMP can be to for some flexibility in packing. Also, pet hair is ok for me as it only appears on the sides and is not as noticeable if I do not have time to clean it off. However, the latest version is the most pet hair resistant - especially the Dyneema Version. That being said, an all Ballistic Nylon version would be my amazing!

    Hope this helps

    Cheers!
    Last edited by tpnl; 09-12-2014, 06:00 AM.

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  • adalangdon
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    Originally posted by weirdguy View Post
    @adalangdon, thanks.
    I double check the direct link's description. It did not come with Rail Clips, but clearly state that there are Rail Loops
    That's weird, because my SA has the rail loops on both sides of the O ring. If you look at photo #3, you can see they are absent? I think the seller may have confused the rails system for caches with the annex system for brain cells. The *annex* clips are absent but yes, the seller is right that the annex loops are there. Some correct me if I'm wrong please?

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  • weirdguy
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    @adalangdon, thanks.
    I double check the direct link's description. It did not come with Rail Clips, but clearly state that there are Rail Loops

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  • adalangdon
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    Originally posted by icebeng View Post
    @weirdguy, more temptations for you :P
    http://forums.tombihn.com/just-regis...html#post79100
    @weirdguy

    If you want to use a cache on rails, the cardinal SA doesn't look like it has rails loops. Just noticed it!

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  • weirdguy
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    @icebeng, (adui...) thanks. It is even harder to choose now.

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  • icebeng
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    @weirdguy, more temptations for you :P
    http://forums.tombihn.com/just-regis...html#post79100
    Last edited by icebeng; 09-11-2014, 05:22 AM.

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  • adalangdon
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    Originally posted by Ilkyway View Post
    I never take in account the Drylex because after some length of time my bag gets dump with ether of this backpacks. So I only decide on color, pocket-layout and impulse. The upsence of the Drylex would not prevent me from buying a pack although it stands to reason that it will help a bit with the sweating. I'd rather pack another shirt if need be.
    Yeah, I also pack an extra shirt when I know I'll be running about a lot. TBH, I haven't felt any difference in comfort between my SA, S19 or S25 and my previous backpack which didn't have Drylex! Regarding the back padding, I mean.

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  • weirdguy
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    @llkyway, yes! I am planning to do share a few photos of my UMP setup or video. Very soon.

    Thanks for the link again, @Moriond.
    Hm, that's really weird. I hoping thought the black part will be Ballistic while the colored part is Cordura.
    The Black Cordura easily a fur magnet. But it is alright. I could simply put my Bag elsewhere, away from my cat usual spot.
    I wonder the next refresh of SA may switch the materials, or perhaps even 420d Parapack.

    @llkyway, it is awesome Nordic/Steel SA you have there. Even more awesome, with "Portable Culture" tag.
    I would prefer a Steel with Solar lining. Hehe.

    Thanks everyone for your many inputs. Will make decision with e-wild soon.

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  • moriond
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    Originally posted by weirdguy View Post
    Ahah... Sadly, I have a cat roaming around and he sure know to spread his fur.
    Can I assumed the exterior black is Ballistic, while the middle (navy/steel/black/cardinal) is cordura?
    Actually, the black side panels are Cordura and the colored area is Ballistic Nylon in both versions of the Smart Alec. The one exception is the versions of the current model Smart Alec that were made in 400d Dyneema, where the side panels are made of the same Dyneema material. You can find pictures on the blog, or look at @Ilkyway's thread:


    The Adventure to send a parcel (or two) to USA - Tom Bihn

    And you could probably carry sandals or flat shoes in the LMP, but not bulky shoes. The "previous version you describe is actually the version of the Smart Alec @tpnl has (takes the LMP but not UMP without modification). He's probably "the expert" on this bag.

    HTH moriond

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  • Ilkyway
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    weirdguy I would love to see a picture of your UMP-Setup. Just saying...

    As for the Drylex... I have never done a real side by side komperison (same weather, same clothes, same weight on the Backpack and same length of walk) so what I say here is totally subjective: I compare a Daylighter (without Drylex) with a Synapse 19: when thinking about which bag to choose for the day I never take in account the Drylex because after some length of time my bag gets dump with ether of this backpacks. So I only decide on color, pocket-layout and impulse. The upsence of the Drylex would not prevent me from buying a pack although it stands to reason that it will help a bit with the sweating. I'd rather pack another shirt if need be.

    Ilkyway

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  • weirdguy
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    Thanks you both @Ilkyway, @adalangdon for your thought.
    I share your similar thought as well, the convenience of UMP.

    While on the LMP, you two are correct as well. It really added a dimension-bulk to the overall.
    I suddenly wonder whether I could squeeze in my Hiking Shoes into the LMP. Lol. This is another topic. You may just ignore this sudden thought.

    I do own 1 400d Steel UMP since early/mid August and been using it everyday, 8 working hour straights (minimum, except Sunday). I love it.

    1- Yes, I would definitely wish to have the top's Loops, as it looks more complete. I believe it look great as well, especially with LMP attached. With LMP hooked, I kinda felt the SA look awkward.
    2- Practically, I don't think I would mind without the Top Loops. I personally prefer to carry the UMP cross-body style all the way. Because I can access to all my frequently used stuffs just swinging the UMP to my chest and zip open. Once done, then swing the UMP back to my side - a 4"-5" below my armpit. Or you could leave it on the chest for security/safety reason.
    3- Haha. I wonder @tpnl has any modification idea to add loop to the top.

    Also, @Ilkyway, @adalangdon, what do you two think about Drylex?
    You two may own a Synapse.

    Thanks again,

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  • adalangdon
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    Originally posted by Ilkyway View Post
    I would hate not to have the Upper Modular Pocket. It is a great place for all the little bits and bops you might frequently need without having to dig into this huge cavern of backpack. You might think the side pockets are enough for that. But if you stuff the main compartment full the side pockets do not have much space left. So for me the Upper Modular Pocket makes this Backpack to the one I would never give up: you have a huge main compartment which can hold nearly everything and you have the organization on top for stain on top of your world. And this Upper Modular Pocket does not add much in terms of exterior measurements. Not like the Lower Modular Pocket which adds a LOT of footprint.
    Totally agree. The LMP has the following disadvantages compared to the UMP, IMHO.
    - Hard to unzip because the zip is (naturally) stiff and you have to unzip around a curved surface towards the side
    - Good for long things (there's no better place for umbrellas, water bottles, pencil cases etc.) but may be too long or narrow for other stuff. UMP, despite the slim profile, can accomodate a wider range of stuff shape-wise.
    - Adds a lot of bulk to the SA as @Ilkyway said. It sticks out a lot compared to the UMP! Although the S25 is a taller bag at 20", the SA looks like a bigger bag on a short and thinnish person like me when the LMP is attached.

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  • Ilkyway
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    weirdguy I add my thoughts maybe they help: I have only the current version BUT I would hate not to have the Upper Modular Pocket. It is a great place for all the little bits and bops you might frequently need without having to dig into this huge cavern of backpack. You might think the side pockets are enough for that. But if you stuff the main compartment full the side pockets do not have much space left. So for me the Upper Modular Pocket makes this Backpack to the one I would never give up: you have a huge main compartment which can hold nearly everything and you have the organization on top for stain on top of your world. And this Upper Modular Pocket does not add much in terms of exterior measurements. Not like the Lower Modular Pocket which adds a LOT of footprint.

    So my advice: do not miss out on the option for that upper Pocket that can be added whenever you are ready to take the leap.

    Ilkyway

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